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Author Topic: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi  (Read 65955 times)

MadPlanter

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Re: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2014, 09:55:12 pm »

Found this beast at home depot yesterday! Looked kinda PC like so that's what I believe it to be. Was labeled T. pachanoi monstrous but it doesn't look very monstrous to me. What do you guys think?
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Re: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi
« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2014, 09:59:38 pm »

This one looks identical to the one I picked up at Home Depot the other day Mine was labeled the same as urs too!
I believe it to be PC
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Re: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi
« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2014, 10:09:38 pm »

Ya I think its PC but hey good graft stock! Could put a big loph on these babies! If I had more than one large loph that is...

PC is good for more than grafting just need a bunch which isn't hard as it grows fast!
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Re: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2014, 12:16:22 am »

The 'spineless pachanoi' is most likely a T. scopulicola
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Re: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2014, 07:13:11 am »

Altmans is getting sloppy with their labeling.
Both MadPlanter and Chickasaw Man's plants above are PC pachanoi.

I got about 8 tiny terscheckiis from Altmans recently. Half were labeled terscheckii and half were labeled Cereus sp..
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Re: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2014, 06:28:50 pm »

Quote from: solaritea
Altmans is getting sloppy with their labeling.

That's what I was thinking!!  Their monstrose pachanoi clone is the non-pc clone.  Their T. pachanoi clone is usually PC.  I recently bought some labelled T. pachanoi, but it was actually their monstrose non-pc clone. 
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Re: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi
« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2014, 06:37:34 am »

so heres my dumb q.  are all crested/monstrose plants non pc..?
i know, im like  :o
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Re: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2014, 07:25:40 am »

Theoretically since it's a clone there isn't, but there is a crest/monstrose clone in circulation that looks EXACTLY like PC when it's growing normally (non-crested/monstrose.)
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Re: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2014, 09:55:08 am »

Not all crests and monsters are that way from seed. Clones can go funky, so a PC crest is certainly possible.
But I've never heard of one.

I wonder if it could be used as grafting stock for a crested peyote :P
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Re: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2014, 04:42:38 pm »

well, getting slightly off subject, but thats like i've heard that cresting could be the result of an infection of some sort...  so what if we grafted a normal plant onto a crest, would that cause the scion to crest? 
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Re: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2014, 05:18:44 pm »

so what if we grafted a normal plant onto a crest, would that cause the scion to crest?

I don't think so, but I'm not sure. Maybe it's worth a shot?

Also, here's a photo of a Non-PC-pachanoi. I've titled it "Khronos" for my collection.

So here you have it, "Trichocereus pachanoi cv. Khronos"

It tends to have very small or no spines and gets up to 6" in diameter. I will do my best to propagate this one and get it out to STS folks. It's a very special pachanoi.

Hcc

P.S. Yes, I put crystals in with my cacti. hehehehe
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Re: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2014, 07:53:00 pm »

well, getting slightly off subject, but thats like i've heard that cresting could be the result of an infection of some sort...  so what if we grafted a normal plant onto a crest, would that cause the scion to crest?

Cresting is mostly genetic and a little environmental.  There is one virus or something in Austrocylindropuntia subulata monstrose that can be contagious, but normal crests are not. Cresting although can be passed down through offspring. That made it possible to have mutant trich seeds and now I have tons of crested seedlings. Hehe.
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Re: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2014, 08:10:14 pm »

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Genetics seems to just lend a propensity toward cresting, rather than a direct cause.
Fasciation has been demonstrated to be induced by all classes of plant pathogens and pests.
That said, I got some cresty seedlings from crested parents too. I sliced bits off, squeezed the juice out, and used that juice and a cactus spine to 'tattoo' the tips of several unrelated trichs. No cresting was induced. I then made more crest juice and used it to pre-soak 3 batches of unrelated seed. Theyre still small, but as yet theres no cresting. Its too bad, because either technique would be an awesome trick.
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Re: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi
« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2014, 08:18:25 pm »

I've heard of bug attacks causing a plant to crest, but I've never seen it happen.  I've also had crested pups show up on non crested plants.  That pup keeps cresting, but when it pups it's not a crest.  And no other crests have shown up on the plant since.  It was a sulcorebutia rauschii.  That one seemed like it was something environmental, but I have no clue what it could have been.
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Re: Identifying Trichocereus pachanoi "PC" and "Real" pachanoi
« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2014, 02:43:19 am »

Dose this mean that an Areole from a non crested part of a crested t. Pachanoi would be a true pachanoi ?
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