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[novoriany]

hum, i'm not there to polemics. Siebert never answered to my request aswell, i guess after a certain step some peoples take the big head or are just pissed off by apprentices and their mountains of questions or their good succes.

And my "illuminations" was normally for micropropagations. But as all the world know, peoples who make plants from test tubes illuminate them , as you said, *ucking bad; that is why they never have success, because they have soooo bad idea of what is good for their work. I can give you the link to appy to monsanto, they need your help really.

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[plantlight]

this is old picture of my salvias, from begening to death.... i tried to make littles cuttings from dying mother plants, unsuccesfully

I grow them like you do novoriany.  Mine are dead too!

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[novoriany]

i know it's frustrating; and sprouting happened for some lucky guys, that is true and reported, but many scientifics report.... 99,9% of sterile seeds. So if 1 seed on 1000 sprout, really, that's is not good for the future of the specie.

Then about the maintenance, if the specialists of light can learn me something else than their feeling about my owns installations, it will be usefull for everybody. Ok i'm newbie on this forum but not in horticulture and i can understand speeches about kelvins, lumens, CRI, hygrometry, light cycle.... If it's a question of a bad *ucking maintenance (sorry i know it's cynicism but i'm 12% upset lol) i want to know the right maintenance :p

i still believe there is a cryptogamic disease (or a virus ?) very well implanted since hofman and blosser have take those cuttings from mexican curandeiros.

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[novoriany]

and i know in dutch greenhouses ( i have two friends who own two famous brand) they use various hormons to keep some plants alive: naphtalene acetic and indol acetic acids for exemple. but if hobbyists have to use chemical to boost immunitary system and keep alive a plant, it's the begening of the end sadly....

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[planter]

When I got a small new Salvia plant a few months ago, I was expecting to have a big bush by now.  I think I did a lot of things right.  It's been summertime.  I put her in a big 5 gallon pot of half coir, half perlite.  And I kept her in shade, getting an hour or two of morning and afternoon sun.  Watered regularly.  Then leaves yellowed, and their tips curled and browned.  Eventually leaves started falling off.

Although the Perlite contained Miracle-Gro, it didn't seem to be enough.  After adding slow release Osmocote fertilizer, several new leaves emerged in the following couple of weeks;  but, the leaves have remained small and are again having some brown curling tips.

I'll be curious to see how she does in a sunny window for the winter.  I suspect that adding compost would give a big boost, but i've read mixed advice on using compost in long-term pots that spend time indoors.

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[plantlight]

i still believe there is a cryptogamic disease (or a virus ?) very well implanted since hofman and blosser have take those cuttings from mexican curandeiros.

I like this theory because they do seem to die off for no reason.  However, there are many others who can consistently grow the plant.  So, now I'm thinking that I'll adjust my growing method.  Very frustrating though.

Have you ever tried micro propagation of salvia?

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[novoriany]

no, in the time i had them i didn't had the macro-elements required for the soup. And i didn't had the idea to produce thousand of them :/ but i was sad when i lost them because it's true that mp could keep some unity alive...

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[The Seedist]

But as all the world know, peoples who make plants from test tubes illuminate them , as you said, *ucking bad; that is why they never have success, because they have soooo bad idea of what is good for their work. I can give you the link to appy to monsanto, they need your help really.

Okay, one more time. Listen, y o u  g r o w  p l a n t s which need some good light, real light, dig it? You grow plants man, not micro, not tubes, not all your special laboratory monster things but live plants, dig it, and t h e y  n e e d  g o o d  l i g h t. Simple as that. Remember this from now on and do not wrong cultivation process step by step no more. This way you'll be succeed one day.

I grow them like you do novoriany.  Mine are dead too!

Of course, I'm not surprised.

[GrowerAndaShower]

Some of us have no choice but to grow under lights for part of the year. I've got a shelf with fluoros set up for the winter, and will be keeping my plants on it until next spring. It's not the same as the sun, but it isn't "wrong" to use artificial light. And for experimental purposes, it's pretty much a requirement. You can't make sure the sun is consistently the same brightness for months at a time to observe growth rate/alkaloid production under different light levels.

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[plantlight]

I grow them like you do novoriany.  Mine are dead too!

Of course, I'm not surprised.

Hey man, don't be so harsh

I need help.

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[The Seedist]

Some of us have no choice but to grow under lights for part of the year. I've got a shelf with fluoros set up for the winter, and will be keeping my plants on it until next spring. It's not the same as the sun, but it isn't "wrong" to use artificial light. And for experimental purposes, it's pretty much a requirement. You can't make sure the sun is consistently the same brightness for months at a time to observe growth rate/alkaloid production under different light levels.

Are you experienced sure enough and a lot? It is sadly to know that someone led you, this man and that men wrong ways long before these hot debates. That's why members are full of regrets.

Hey man, don't be so harsh

I need help.

There is Science-head on STS now, let's wait for some high teks he can provide us of, I'm serious.

Or invite me for some courses

[plantlight]

There is Science-head on STS now, let's wait for some high teks he can provide us of, I'm serious.

Or invite me for some courses

Dude, no need to be hostile.  Of course, I'd rather grow them outdoors but if it's too hot or too cold, I can't control that.

Anyway, if you would be so kind to share the method that works for you, I would really like to know because it might help me.  As I've posted before, I think your salvia's are sturdy and healthy http://sharetheseeds.me/forum/index.php?topic=2342.msg28835#msg28835
I'd like to be able to grow them as well as you do but so far, I can't.

It really doesn't help to mock anyone.

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[The Seedist]

It really doesn't help to mock anyone.

Yes, it does not, and now re-read what novoriany wrote above.

There is no secret and special approach. A good soil mix, a good light, do not overlove it, that's all.

When I see other's success in any activity field am do not proceed to use same method to achieve new results, that's the point. Simple things any smart men sure know.

And something to finish. Knew some clever and smart folks from a botany scientific field, they had a lot of books, they wrote some good articles about plants they studied, they taught others how to study plants but they couldn't grow them properly themselves. But now I'm sure new member novoriany will overcome his problem.

Just my five cents you know. STS was made for sharing knowledges, right.

[novoriany]

It really doesn't help to mock anyone.

But now I'm sure new member novoriany will overcome his problem.

Dear , in the kingdom of blinds the one-eyed guy is a king, ok. Do you realize you are just mean, mocker, and criticaster who really don't give anything new than platitude points of view ?

ах вы действительно американец, вы делаете гамбургеры !

i'm sorry i didn't realized i was walking on seedists flowerbeds through the little i posted. Thousand apologizes majesty. Have fun.

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[The Seedist]

Thought you might be interested of subject, that was the reason to attract your attention to proceed discussion on this thread but you told us

hum, i'm not there to polemics.

Okay, will not spoil your party here.