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[New Wisdom]

Areole grafts from crested plants typically don't have crested pups no matter where you take the areole, from what I hear.  But yeah, it wouldn't be a PC pachanoi unless you got the areole from a PC. 

[Greentoe]

These are some cacti I bought awhile back and left at my dad's house to fend for themselves. The first two pics are of a pachanoi. It looks a bit different from the other pachanoi I have. It has some PC characteristics but I'm not sure. The next one was bought as a peruvianus. It has v notches so that's probably not a bad sign.

[happyconcacti]

Hey Greentoe,

Cactus 1 looks like a T. scopulicola to me. It has the fatter ribs and strange V-notches that scopulicolas can have. Not 100% sure though, time will tell.

Hcc

[New Wisdom]

Cant really tell if the first is PC until it puts on some thick consistent new growth.  I don't think it's scopulicola though since it has visible spines. 

[Auxin]

#1 is not a scopulicola, the spines are much too long for a long spined scop and it appears serrated from the side view with the areoles turned up. Looks like a PC grown under varying conditions to me.
#2 damned if I know, sexy tho The large areole pads made it look to be in the macrogonus/peruvianus/cuzcoensis spectrum but it has no long central and the stem looks pachanoid. I'd guess a pachanoi with nice broad areoles. Keep it, for sure.
#3 is a possible T. knuthianus

[Greentoe]

Thank you all for the input.

#2 damned if I know, sexy tho  The large areole pads made it look to be in the macrogonus/peruvianus/cuzcoensis spectrum but it has no long central and the stem looks pachanoid. I'd guess a pachanoi with nice broad areoles. Keep it, for sure.

#2 is a top view of #1
The areoles lower on it are tiny in comparison to the new growth.

#3 is a possible T. knuthianus

Never heard of T. knuthianus before I'll have to read up on that one.

[New Wisdom]

A spined scop is no scop to me!!

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[happyconcacti]

A spined scop is no scop to me!!

Ummmmmm. What? You be talking crazy talk.

If you've seen one in person, you'd know they have spines. 

Kidding kidding, But for real, that's like saying all men at 40 go bald. Genetics differ.

It's difficult to see but every areola has spines. You can kind of see the older ones near the mid-right part of the photo.

[happyconcacti]

Also, here's a PC pup from a very, very neglected cactus. It fell off the balcony into an alley last Spring where it sat bare-root all summer. Come August, I put it back in soil and I recently used the pup for grafting stock.

Once the pup started growing, it looked like a scopulicola with the fat ribs and small spines. Once it reached a certain point, the PC characteristics came back.

A.K.A. (as auxin put it) a PC grown under varying conditions.

[New Wisdom]

I call those T. cordobensis, not T. scopulicola.  The one in the picture you posted.  Some people call them scopulicola though.  I guess it's a matter of opinion.  The genuine (IMO) T. scops, even when mature and growing in the ground, have virtually no visible spines unless you go right up to the areole and dig in the fur a little bit or  press it really hard with your finger.  Here's a picture of my scopulicola from sacred succulents. 

 After the pictures of a cutting is one i found on google.  It's a mature branch of the scopulicola i'm talking about.    But who knows, maybe all the spineless ones just came from one clone a long time ago. They all look exactly the same and you can't find genuine scopulicola seeds pretty much anywhere since there aren't many clones around.  Supposedly the species doesn't exist in nature anymore, but the original species described by it's discoverer (backeburg i think?) was spineless in habitat. I definitely understand your viewpoint though!

The one after that is what I consider to be T. cordobensis.  Basically a spined scopulicola.

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[Auxin]

Ritter described scopulicola, in that he was clearly primarily looking at the 'belly button' type with sunken areoles but he noted plants were observed with exposed areoles and 1 mm spines.

you can't find genuine scopulicola seeds pretty much anywhere since there aren't many clones around.

Sounds like a thing for STS to fix
I have the exposed areole 1mm spine clone, if mine ever flower I'll desiccate and save pollen. If everyone with a scop does the same then eventually we could get different clones crossed and spread seed around. Who wouldnt want the chance to grow out 20 and name the best one after their cat or their favorite anime character or something

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[New Wisdom]

That's actually what I want to do.  I'd love to cross two of the spineless ones (because i have a fetish for them) and grow the seeds out.

Do you know if ritter described (visible) spined specimen  in habitat?

[happyconcacti]

Well, well, what a conundrum. 

On Trout's website, he call the one that I have T. scopulicolus

He calls the spineless one T. scopulicola

http://troutsnotes.com/tag/scopulicola/

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[New Wisdom]

Interesting! Never heard of scopicolus.

[Auxin]

Thats backbergs folly.
Ritter coined the species as Trichocereus scopulicola.
After that backberg commented on it as T. scopulicolus.
When genus Trichocereus was absorbed into Echinopsis they rightly went with the first to name it, and its now Echinopsis scopulicola.

Cool that the UK's indented areole scop is apparently a different clonal line than the aussie bellybutton scop, I didnt know that.
Funny that I got my exposed-areole scop (shown next to a PC [Here]) from England.