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[EIRN]

It is commom to refer to caapi varieties with colors names (white, red, black, cielo).
In Brazil we have three major varieties - Caupuri, Tucunacá and Ourinhos.
There is somone who knows the relation between this names?

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[Seed Collector]

I don't know if this will answer your question, but I hope this helps: Poorly understood family of AYAHUASCA vines

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[EIRN]

Thanks for the reply, but do not help. This nexus post is about other question.
Not all Caapi are Banisteriopsis caapi, or evem Banisteriopsis.
The three major caapi used in Brazil (Caupuri, Tucunacá and Ourinho) maybe are not all B. caapi. I can not find secure information about taxonomy of these plants.
Additional confusion in my head is provided by non Brazilian names (cielo, black, red….).
In terms of etnobotanic use there are more than 20 caapi. It is no possible to know if they are cultivation varieties, different species, or what else.

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[Greentoe]

They mention some stuff about the different colors and capouri, tucunacá, and ourinho if you keep reading.
Post#43 from dreamer042

I read the thread over @ the aya forums and this one here and it's all a a bit murky and convoluted and spread out, so I just kinda want to do a knowledge check and see if we can try and clarify all this a bit.

Wikipedia says:
Quote:
There are two scientifically accepted varieties:

Banisteriopsis caapi var. caupuri with knotty stems
Banisteriopsis caapi var. tukunaka with smooth stems


The var. caupuri has big knots in the stems that make it very distinguishable. I haven't ever seen this one offered by vendors until now.


Now I assume the caapi we are all familiar with that all the vendors have been carrying for all these years is the var. tukunaka and supposedly this comes in a variety of "colors".

As I understand it all these various colors of ayahuasca are classified as Banisteriopsis caapi var. tukunaka:

White - cura ayahuasca/ayahuasca blanca - used for healing and magic.

Black - trueno ayahuasca/ayahuasca negra - very strong, causes intense purging.

Red - ayahuasca colorada - used by the shamans for healing others.

Yellow - ayahuasca cielo/ayahuasca amarilla - The most common and widely used variety, good for beginners.

Cielo - heavenly ayahuasca/sky ayahausca - Sometimes listed to be the same as yellow ayahuasca, but as I understand it the true cielo is regarded to be quite a bit stronger than the common yellow ayahuasca.

Ourinhos - little gold - This is the var the Brazilian ayahuasca churches use. This one is also sometimes called yellow ayahuasca.

So that covers our familiar b. caapi ayahuasca.


It seems we now have access to a few other species also called by ayahuasca:

Alicia anisopetala - black ayahuasca/oco yage/water ayahuasca - This plant contains the power in the vine and the light in the leaves. This is the likely candidate for the plants those of us who purchased the mislabeled "Chaliponga" have.

Alicia macrodisca - This is the other possible candidate for our plants. This plant also contains the power in the vine and the light in the leaves?

Banisteriopsis muricata - red ayahuasca- This one is very very similar to b. caapi but has a bit more red color and creates a much more red/orange brew. This contains the power in the vine and light in the leaves.

Tetrapteris methystica - griss ayahuasca - I know next to nothing about this one. Wikipedia says its psychoactive and the alkaloids are thought to be closely related to B. caapi.


Regarding Chaliponga:

It seems the "Diplopterys cabrerana" that we all seek as the "true" Chaliponga is the one they call "Ushpa Chaqui". Although the A. anisopetala has been sold and used successfully as "chaliponga" many times before.

Does anyone know what other plants have been used/sold as chaliponga?


Does that all sound about right? Please let me know if there are any errors or holes in my understanding here. I'm just trying to get this all straightened out in my own mind.

-Namaste


P.S. - It seems we are just barely starting to scratch at the surface of the rabbit hole that is ayahuasca. Looks like there is lot more work to be done in this area.

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A Classification of Banisteriopsis Species
Used in Ayahuasca Preparations

1. Banisteriopsis caapi
2. B. ceduciflora
3. B. cornifolia
4. B. cristata
5. B. heterostyla
6. B. inebrians
7. B. laevifolia
8. B. leiocarpa
9. B. leptocarpa
10. B. longialata
11. B.. lucida 12. B. martiniana
13. B. muricata
14. B. nigrescens
15. B. nutans
16. B. oxyclada
17. B. padifolia
18. B. peruviana
19. B. pubipetata
20. B. quitensis
21. B. rusbyana*
note: Banisteriopsis rusbyana* = Diplopterys cabrerana

http://www.biopark.org/peru/huascaspecies.html

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[EIRN]

Thanks for alerting me. ... need to have more patience and look everything till the end!


After reading, my personal interpretation:

I do not know were this guy found:

There are two scientifically accepted varieties:
Banisteriopsis caapi var. caupuri with knotty stems
Banisteriopsis caapi var. tukunaka with smooth stems

www.theplantlist.org resume scientific taxonomy, and tell nothing about this.

However as varieties of Caupuri cultivation and Tucunacá are the most common


My relatios is:

Black - trueno ayahuasca/ayahuasca negra - very strong, causes intense purging. - Caupuri
Yellow - ayahuasca cielo/ayahuasca amarilla - The most common and widely used variety, good for beginners. - Ourinhos
Red - ayahuasca colorada - used by the shamans for healing others. - Tucunacá

Caupuri causes intense purging
Tucunacá produce a reddish brew, and is most soft expirience of these three plants
Ourinhos is a little more yellow (in new branchs) and more potent than Tucunacá....seems to be a Tucunacá variant

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[Caium]

Here is a table (III) from Flora Neotropica comparing several Banisteriopsis species, so you can know for sure what your home plant is.

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[EIRN]

Example of Caupuri and Ourinhos varieties of Caapi

Caupuri leaves and trunk

Ourinhos leaves and trunk

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[Seed Collector]

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/File:Ayauasca_IDs.pdf
Check this attachment out 

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[ONandONandON]

i want a cappi plant! i read something yesterday in 'Tihkal' about Caupuri, Tucunacá, but he didn't mention Ourinhos.
Read that Caupuri from Amazonia has more toxic effects, and Tucunacá from south Brazil has more favorable effects.

[EIRN]

Read that Caupuri from Amazonia has more toxic effects, and Tucunacá from south Brazil has more favorable effects.

Is not right this way.....but they are quite different. Both are from amazonia forest.
Caupuri act more intensive in the body and promotes more purgative effect, but it is not toxic.

[Stonehenge]

I have both cielo and black caapi though I can't see much difference between the two. I hear a lot about d cabrerena but I wonder if it really has as much magic as they say?