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Gardening Area => Growing questions and answers => Topic started by: Auxin on October 09, 2013, 06:22:14 AM
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So I ordered some of these 'white ayahuasca' seeds thinking I could ID them before any sprouted.
One germinated and I'm still lost ;D
Vine segments going around as 'white caapi' apparently can be B. caapi, Alicia anisopetala, or Tetrapterys methystica but these seeds dont match any Banisteriopsis, Alicia, or Tetrapterys species I've looked up. I even just looked up representatives from every Malpighiaceae genera I could find, nothing.
What is this critter?
And are any of the circulating brew or smoke reports from this specific species?
Inside those heart shaped flaps theres a 'wrapper' around the seed with one horn on one side and a set of two on the other.
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Its not red or yellow. It looks like black.
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Black usually refers either to caapi or A. anisopetala.
B. caapi (and B. muricata) seeds look like maple seeds and A. anisopetala looks like a butterfly.
Have you seen a vine with these kinds of seeds in use at all?
Its hard to tell with the color coding of commercial vine, but from what I could make out at the nexus no one seems to have IDed or bioassayed vines from these seed yet. It looks as if the species simply just appeared as seeds with no backstory or identification.
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I received those same seeds from kiwi and I was warned they may not be viable and of coarse they didn't sprout. Yours are though...did you get those from kiwi. Maybe a fresher batch? I couldn't come to the bottom of what they were either with much research. However in the past I did find one site with a botanical specimens chart for this plant but I couldn't find it again. This was way before I had the seeds physically and I didn't pay attention to what the species name was just that it said white aya.
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That could be the mysterious "shahuan peco". :o
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Seeds came from world seed supply. Ordered them 2 weeks ago.
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I've also been very curious about what exactly this plant is. I was thinking about ordering a live one from kiwiboancaya.
That could be the mysterious "shahuan peco". :o
What's this shahuan peco?
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I'm not sure if I can talk about it here, but it's kind of a mysterious etnobotanical plant similar to B. caapi. Didn't find much info, only know about it because someone asked me for that.
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You can talk about it. Just not about it's consumption. :)
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Has anyone seen someone post a pic of these plants?
I have a rather unexpected hypothesis...
After going through the entire Malpighiaceae family yet again, I accepted the possibility it might be something else. Thats when I remembered a local Rumex species with seed similar to this, Rumex crispus shows the similarity too, as do many other species as well as the mexican Antigonon leptopus showing quite a similarity.
I think this critter just might be somewhere in Polygonaceae!
Another 50 genera, another 1200 species, but this time with most seed looking similar to this ;D I'm stuck without seeing an adult plant.
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I just posted about kiwi resurfacing here www.amazonian-seeds.com (http://sharetheseeds.me/forum/index.php?topic=3752.msg28153;topicseen#msg28153)
What is interesting is that this White Aya now has the name 'Drimonya' as if it is the genus.
Here http://www.amazonian-seeds.com/426165953/category/677670/live-plants (http://www.amazonian-seeds.com/426165953/category/677670/live-plants)
Are we closer to an ID for this guy? A quick google search turns up nothing.
As a side note, mine are growing very very slowly..
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Ha, got all excited for a second when I saw your picture of the seeds.
Those seeds look a lot like Antigonon leptopus(not that it's any help)
I know where there is about 200meters of it taking over a little creek in town.
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Whatever it is it doesn't like cold at all. I lost mine this past winter and it was exposed to temps that were perhaps in the 40s (F) briefly but brought in for the remainder of the season. It just dwindled, losing leaf after leaf and then finally gave up. :(
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Convolvulaceae
Calycobolus sericeus
Images here:
http://atrium.andesamazon.org/image_info.php?img=images/collections/jpjanovec_002733_05_p.jpg&id=16755#image16755
Collection details:
http://atrium.andesamazon.org/collection_display_info.php?id=22193
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Nice Work Plantlight! How in the world did you come up with that? ..out of curiosity
Mine hasn't bloomed but the leaves look right. And the seed coats look right. Mine is growing EXTremeLy slowly. Although I'm getting ready to repot several of my vine seedlings.. none of which currently have no trellis. Hoping that introducing a trellis to the 'sericeus' 8) will provide it the impetus to 'take off' ;D
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Nice Work Plantlight! How in the world did you come up with that? ..out of curiosity
Someone posted on Amazonian Seeds Facebook that they had positively identified white ayahuasca. I just ran the name through google images. Bam! :D
Where can I get some of those seeds? ???
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Well done plantlight! Botanical mystery solved....
kiwiboancaya offered the seeds a year or two ago. Dunno if they still do or if they are even doing business. Lost interest in them myself. Maybe check for spinoff companies?
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Maybe check for spinoff companies?
I think this is them kiwi resurface thread (http://sharetheseeds.me/forum/index.php?topic=3752.0)
But I'd wait for them to pop up on ebay and/or I think wss also has a line on them. Much cheaper that way ;)
Thanks for closing the loop on this one plantlight!
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sorry to resurrect this, but i gotta know what plants im growing!! this has been my "mystery" aya for however long, then i stumbled on this discussion a week or so ago. i posted something on the caapi grow log earlier, but it probably shouldve gone here...
has anyone here successfully grown this plant from the seeds pictured in the op? i received seeds like the ones pictured from kiwi few years back, but only like 3 sprouted and died before true leaves formed. i thought wss was sourcing from/through kiwi for some things for a bit (could be totally wrong here), and so i bought a white aya plant already growing from wss. but i dont know for a fact whether it came from from the seeds like in the op, or if they came from maple-looking typical of banisteriopsis, or something else entirely. looking at the links with pics of Calycobolus, i think mine looks diff. leaves there look thick and waxy, shiny. and grow alternate. not the best pictures tho, and probly just one specimen. my plant looks and grows like the rest of my caapi, just likes to sprawl out and climb more, super subtle diffs in leaf shape, etc. but my leaves grow opposite, like my caapi, and have the same "texture", thin-sh, dry in that they repel water, same shade of green... not waxy or shiny. i can compare the venation between my white, my caapi, and the pics in the link... pretty sure i never noticed anything distinctly different between my white and other caapi, just looking quickly at the link again, the Calycobolus looks a bit diff.
anyway, itd be super awesome if someone who has grown out the seeds from the op could post pics of their plant(s), leaf shape and arrangement, any other identifiable features.
id love to confirm this ID, but im not convinced based on the pics on the link.
Thanks!
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Sounds like you have a Banistriopsis XDX.
Common names can be misleading and what is called 'white ayahuasca' in one area can have a completely different name somewhere else. Kiwi/amazonian seeds is notorious for not properly IDing what they sold. They sold at least two different species as white ayahuasca at different times without any mention that they didn't in fact know what they were. One of those may have been a Banisteriopsis but the other certainly was not.