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Gardening Area => Growing questions and answers => Topic started by: GrowerAndaShower on September 13, 2016, 09:13:45 PM
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Hey all, Frog Pajamas was kind enough to send me two Salvia Divinorum cuttings. One got stem rot while rooting, the other rooted successfully. However, the rooted one started turning brown at the tips of the leaves, which spread all the way down the stem.
So I've now got a black stump(still firm though) of salvia with roots, any chance it'll come back? I don't see any nodes anymore... No idea what happened. Thought it was low humidity, but a humidity tent seemed to exasperate the problem. Soil is well draining, and I don't think it was root rot because it went down not up...
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Hey yo, post a pic. That all sounds quite strange.
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Nothing's strange, it is so when plant will not grow anymore because it has chosen death, some kind of self-destruction, stay strong GAS.
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i had the same kind of problems with two cutting from amsterdam, coming from azarius. Since i buy it they don't sell anymore cuttings of salvia divinorum... and i lost the two strain, blosser and hofman. As a cutting is just the replic of the previous plant, and as salvia is suppose to exist in only two specimens, i guess a disease have one day infect them and that this disease (supposed to be a cryptogamic shit) have became too much strong....
i don't know how the imunitary system of a plant evolve after 50 years of cuttings. But one thing is sure, if the sexual reproduction of salvia divinorum failed for ever, it's sure that we gonna lost this plant.
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Got pretty much the same thing with a cutting. It rooted nicely in a glass of water, but after transplantation the leaves got brown and fell off. Then the stem died from the top down.
The other cutting I rooted at the same time is doing fine, already having several new leaves.
Don't think there is much you can do. It's a gamble and even though these guys put on roots easily, not all of them will survive afterwards.
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I've had salvia come back months after I thought it was dead. Wouldn't hurt to keep it around to see if it sprouts new growth later on.
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There's not much of a picture, but I'll try to get one later. I'll just leave it as is, maybe I'll luck out. It does look like it just gave up on life. Was growing new shoots, had put on a few leaves, then all of a sudden everything went brown from the leaf tips down in about 2-3 days. It doesn't have a great root system, but hopefully it's enough to sustain it and I'll get her to pop back up. I'm pretty sad, sally was one of the plants I wanted most. I'll hope for the best, and try to improve my environment for next time i get some cuttings.
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It's all normal GAS. I let it die time to time and leave it to die peacefully. Am only take all branches off main stalk and place them into the water to make them rooted while their mother S. is dying and then I proceed to grow them near died motherplant. Okay guys will show you the process next few days if no one wanted to show their dying plants. There is nothing to hesitate about. You need learn to watch your lovely plant's death as it is, face to face, and take it as it comes.
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I know, plants die. I've had good luck with most things so far,and it's only my first year with a garden, so a loss here and there is to be expected. I had high hopes for these cuttings however, and am dissapointed they didn't make it. Salvia Divinorum is one that's fascinated me for a long time,and I really want to get a few to go to seed, and also to try hybridization with other Salvias or Coleus.
Someday another cutting will make its way to me in the proper time, and I'll have success when the time is right.
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Keep watering it periodically. I'd give it a 50 50 shot that it sprouts a new tip or two from the root bundle.
novoriany, we've had success here propogating Salvia from seeds. Personally I've gotten it to flower. It only requires a long daily dark period. Over 12-14 hours of darkness per day will get it to flower. I didn't have luck with the seeds thoufh.
Bubble cat iirc got some to sprout.
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GAS, you will have luck in the future, just try again!
I think we can't really reproduce the rapid changes of wet and dry that these plants experience in the cloud forest.
Whenever you "confine" their roots to a pot, they will stay humid for longer, receive less air and have less possibility to dry for a short while. This allows diseases and fungi to attack, especially when the roots are still weak and the cutting surface has not yet healed.
Just my thoughts.....
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I think I read through the salvia seed thread, IIRC they thought germination was improved by letting them sit dormant for awhile. That thread is part of what inspired me to try gettting some seeds going. I really want to be the first to discover a species that'll hybridize with Salvia D. to get a little more diversity in the genetics. Cross it back with some pure divinorum a few times and possibly get an easy seeding salvia. Or not, who knows? that's the fun! Crossing it with coleus or a variegated sage to get a more visually interesting sally would be cool as well. If it looks cool enough, it could become a common houseplant! :D
I also want to try treating it with Colchicine or Oryzalin on a few growing tips and get a few polyploid stems(and eventually flowers) to see if it helps breeding, as I've seen suggested a few other places. Just gotta get a good stock of plants going to do my experimentation. I'll hope this one recovers, and if not I'll try sourcing some more cuttings. I'm sure someone here could help me out with one. I'd be pumped if this one recovers, though. Somehow getting a new plant from the roots of one I almost killed seems like it'd be more satisfying than getting a new cutting. Needing a new cutting means I failed this time around, regrowing from the roots means I have an awesome beast of a salvia that came back from the dead(kinda)! ;D
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ya Sunshine, it's very easy to obtain flower and seeds, but those seeds are steriles and didn't sprout. I got some seeds from the sage wisdom, i try to sprout them, zero success. even with gibberelic acid, different dosage: 500 ppm, 250,1000.... salvia divinorum seeds are frustrating. I read some very serious study, and it said that there is a misfunction who forbid the male gamet to arrive to the female nucleus. So there is seeds, but inside the gametes are not mixed. Daniel Siebert, the specialist of salvia divinorum, is looking for every report about seedling success.
this is his website: http://www.sagewisdom.org/
And about the diseases, for my part, it was very comon molt, who are normaly very well fight by a vegetative step plant. Sometime i see those fungus on plants in a step of mature fruiting, when the plant "know she achieve her reproduction cycle, seeds are ready and she know she can let her go and die". But it was on vegetative cycle.... i guess in the growshop and specialized greenhouse they should use some hormons to keep the original strains, but when neophytes buy some cuttings, they are often disappoint after several weeks.
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this is old picture of my salvias, from begening to death.... i tried to make littles cuttings from dying mother plants, unsuccesfully
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I got some seeds from the sage wisdom, i try to sprout them, zero success. Daniel Siebert, the specialist of salvia divinorum, is looking for every report about seedling success.
You are sure wrong novoriany. Now look at mine http://sharetheseeds.me/forum/index.php?topic=2342.60 To tell you more than you do thinking about Daniel because I wrote him at once after seeds sprouted and he even didn't reply me on that news then, November 2015. It was of no interest for him as I understood, that's how it was then. My advice do not believe most written things you do usually read on others' websites.
Looked at your pictures again and know what? Did you ever think you illuminate them *ucking bad? They are crying there on your shelves but you feed them of *ucking bad lights day by day and month by month and after this you wait for great results oh my..... I guess you should died earlier if they could illuminate you the same way.
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hum, i'm not there to polemics. Siebert never answered to my request aswell, i guess after a certain step some peoples take the big head or are just pissed off by apprentices and their mountains of questions or their good succes.
And my "illuminations" was normally for micropropagations. But as all the world know, peoples who make plants from test tubes illuminate them , as you said, *ucking bad; that is why they never have success, because they have soooo bad idea of what is good for their work. I can give you the link to appy to monsanto, they need your help really.
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this is old picture of my salvias, from begening to death.... i tried to make littles cuttings from dying mother plants, unsuccesfully
I grow them like you do novoriany. Mine are dead too! :(
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i know it's frustrating; and sprouting happened for some lucky guys, that is true and reported, but many scientifics report.... 99,9% of sterile seeds. So if 1 seed on 1000 sprout, really, that's is not good for the future of the specie.
Then about the maintenance, if the specialists of light can learn me something else than their feeling about my owns installations, it will be usefull for everybody. Ok i'm newbie on this forum but not in horticulture and i can understand speeches about kelvins, lumens, CRI, hygrometry, light cycle.... If it's a question of a bad *ucking maintenance (sorry i know it's cynicism but i'm 12% upset lol) i want to know the right maintenance :p
i still believe there is a cryptogamic disease (or a virus ?) very well implanted since hofman and blosser have take those cuttings from mexican curandeiros.
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and i know in dutch greenhouses ( i have two friends who own two famous brand) they use various hormons to keep some plants alive: naphtalene acetic and indol acetic acids for exemple. but if hobbyists have to use chemical to boost immunitary system and keep alive a plant, it's the begening of the end sadly....
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When I got a small new Salvia plant a few months ago, I was expecting to have a big bush by now. I think I did a lot of things right. It's been summertime. I put her in a big 5 gallon pot of half coir, half perlite. And I kept her in shade, getting an hour or two of morning and afternoon sun. Watered regularly. Then leaves yellowed, and their tips curled and browned. Eventually leaves started falling off.
Although the Perlite contained Miracle-Gro, it didn't seem to be enough. After adding slow release Osmocote fertilizer, several new leaves emerged in the following couple of weeks; but, the leaves have remained small and are again having some brown curling tips.
I'll be curious to see how she does in a sunny window for the winter. I suspect that adding compost would give a big boost, but i've read mixed advice on using compost in long-term pots that spend time indoors.
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i still believe there is a cryptogamic disease (or a virus ?) very well implanted since hofman and blosser have take those cuttings from mexican curandeiros.
I like this theory because they do seem to die off for no reason. However, there are many others who can consistently grow the plant. So, now I'm thinking that I'll adjust my growing method. Very frustrating though.
Have you ever tried micro propagation of salvia?
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no, in the time i had them i didn't had the macro-elements required for the soup. And i didn't had the idea to produce thousand of them :/ but i was sad when i lost them because it's true that mp could keep some unity alive...
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But as all the world know, peoples who make plants from test tubes illuminate them , as you said, *ucking bad; that is why they never have success, because they have soooo bad idea of what is good for their work. I can give you the link to appy to monsanto, they need your help really.
Okay, one more time. Listen, y o u g r o w p l a n t s which need some good light, real light, dig it? You grow plants man, not micro, not tubes, not all your special laboratory monster things but live plants, dig it, and t h e y n e e d g o o d l i g h t. Simple as that. Remember this from now on and do not wrong cultivation process step by step no more. This way you'll be succeed one day.
I grow them like you do novoriany. Mine are dead too! :(
Of course, I'm not surprised.
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Some of us have no choice but to grow under lights for part of the year. I've got a shelf with fluoros set up for the winter, and will be keeping my plants on it until next spring. It's not the same as the sun, but it isn't "wrong" to use artificial light. And for experimental purposes, it's pretty much a requirement. You can't make sure the sun is consistently the same brightness for months at a time to observe growth rate/alkaloid production under different light levels.
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I grow them like you do novoriany. Mine are dead too! :(
Of course, I'm not surprised.
Hey man, don't be so harsh ;)
I need help.
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Some of us have no choice but to grow under lights for part of the year. I've got a shelf with fluoros set up for the winter, and will be keeping my plants on it until next spring. It's not the same as the sun, but it isn't "wrong" to use artificial light. And for experimental purposes, it's pretty much a requirement. You can't make sure the sun is consistently the same brightness for months at a time to observe growth rate/alkaloid production under different light levels.
Are you experienced sure enough and a lot? It is sadly to know that someone led you, this man and that men wrong ways long before these hot debates. That's why members are full of regrets.
Hey man, don't be so harsh ;)
I need help.
There is Science-head on STS now, let's wait for some high teks he can provide us of, I'm serious.
Or invite me for some courses ;D
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There is Science-head on STS now, let's wait for some high teks he can provide us of, I'm serious.
Or invite me for some courses ;D
Dude, no need to be hostile. Of course, I'd rather grow them outdoors but if it's too hot or too cold, I can't control that.
Anyway, if you would be so kind to share the method that works for you, I would really like to know because it might help me. As I've posted before, I think your salvia's are sturdy and healthy http://sharetheseeds.me/forum/index.php?topic=2342.msg28835#msg28835
I'd like to be able to grow them as well as you do but so far, I can't.
It really doesn't help to mock anyone.
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It really doesn't help to mock anyone.
Yes, it does not, and now re-read what novoriany wrote above.
There is no secret and special approach. A good soil mix, a good light, do not overlove it, that's all.
When I see other's success in any activity field am do not proceed to use same method to achieve new results, that's the point. Simple things any smart men sure know.
And something to finish. Knew some clever and smart folks from a botany scientific field, they had a lot of books, they wrote some good articles about plants they studied, they taught others how to study plants but they couldn't grow them properly themselves. But now I'm sure new member novoriany will overcome his problem.
Just my five cents you know. STS was made for sharing knowledges, right.
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It really doesn't help to mock anyone.
But now I'm sure new member novoriany will overcome his problem.
Dear , in the kingdom of blinds the one-eyed guy is a king, ok. Do you realize you are just mean, mocker, and criticaster who really don't give anything new than platitude points of view ?
ах вы действительно американец, вы делаете гамбургеры !
i'm sorry i didn't realized i was walking on seedists flowerbeds through the little i posted. Thousand apologizes majesty. Have fun.
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Thought you might be interested of subject, that was the reason to attract your attention to proceed discussion on this thread but you told us
hum, i'm not there to polemics.
Okay, will not spoil your party here.
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OK first off all we should recognize that this is a place to give aid and assistance... some of the posts I'm reading here are not helping anyone.
It is unnecessary and unwanted to shame someone for not having the skills to properly grow a plant, if you cannot give advice without making the other members feel inferior then maybe this isn't the place for you. Mods are not even nominated solely based on their skill level with growing plants. I've tried to grow Salvia like 3 times now and every time I've tried it's died on me within a matter of months.
We are trying to form a loving, open place to discuss how to properly grow plants and not a place to gloat over how one member is better than another. Keep that in mind when giving advice to other members.
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The tone of this thread is unacceptable. We do not tolerate members taking insulting tone with other members, and if it continues we will remove the offending parties.
Edit: TBM was posting at the same time as I was, and he says it very well.
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Okay, will not spoil your party here.
admit you like it. kind of way to say "i get away like a prince" and "you will never know my good way to grow the plants who want to die, you can continue with your *ucking bad shelves and wrong lights, you don't deserve to learn the true"
wow ! i just get a message from FSB, they send a submarine in the rio grande, seedist, in the view to spy and study your technics :o !!!
please bro, breath deeply, realize the love arround you and forget the problems who change your attitude. And understand my cynism. It's my mental protection ;)
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Please let's let this rest. Continuing the offensive tone is not the way to resolve this issue.
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"you don't deserve to learn the true"
You deserve it like many others and STS is here to help you, what's wrong with you?
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from begening to death.... i tried, unsuccesfully
Faith as small as a mustard seed can move mountains.
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Can I get a mod to lock this thread? The arguments are not related to my post, my Salvia is dead, and there's nothing that needs to be added to this thread.
Novoriany and seedist, please keep the pissing contests off these boards. We should be respectful to each other, we're all in this together.
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