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Title: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on April 05, 2015, 06:21:29 AM: Hello,
I have joined this forum to gain and share info about the propagation of salvia seeds.

I have successfully managed to propagate and germinate 2 Salvia Divinorum seeds through hand pollination.
I only harvested 2 seeds and both germinated.

My story so far...

I acquired 3 small salvia clones 3 years ago, and they grew at a slow rate despite my efforts at keeping the humidity level up. Two of the cuttings didn't make it after an episode with spider mites and the third one was not looking good. The good news was that I was able to eradicate the mites with a strong solution of capsicum extract and neem oil but the bad news was I lost 2 of 3 plants and the 3rd one was looking sad. I gave it a good soaking with water and put it in a corner beside a bright southern exposed window.

A couple weeks went by and I noticed new growth starting from the bottom of the stem. The plant was about 8" tall and was basically a greenish brown stem by this time. For some reason the plant starting growing with vigor. Within 2 months she was over 2 ft tall, healthy and growing nice big fat leaves. This growth continued throughout the summer months receiving only natural light from the bright sunny window. Care was taken to only expose her to indirect sun for the exception of direct morning sun for a couple hours a day. Water was given when visually needed, she would wilt a bit telling me to water. I learned to know when she required water after a while before wilting began, lots of attention was given to this. Daytime temperatures never exceeded 27c before the air conditioning kicked in, and at night 16c would be the low. Room humidity ranged from 20-95 with the average being 35-50 %. No special feeding was given other than 20/20/20 houseplant fertilizer every 6 weeks or whenever I found the leaves turning a bit yellowish. She was grown in regular houseplant soil in a 8" ceramic pot, standard depth.

At night never was she given any light, never, ever. I was able to remove the lights from the room so no accidental light was given during the dark period. She grew totally on natural light, and care was given to limit the amount of direct sunlight. If given too much light she would physically turn away from the light and wilt.

Late in the summer I noticed a change in growth at the meristem, she was beginning to flower!
The fall season came and she was in full bloom and that's when I started hand pollinating the flowers. Every morning for a few days I pollinated with the fresh flowers that fell on the ground that night or early morning, or the odd one that fell from the plant during pollination. I would basically gently stick the flower, that was picked up from the floor into the flowers on the plant and rub them in and out (it was good for me too lol )

During the process I really didn't expect much as a result. I read so much about salvia not really being able to set seed, and if seeds were set the viability would be real low so that most won't germinate and the ones that did manage to sprout would probably be too weak then die. This made me want to try, but my expectations were set in the reality of that I was probably wasting my time. Some time later, about 2 or 3 weeks I notice a dark spot inside on of the flower pods...seeds!!!

I placed a 2"x2" plastic zip bag over the flower(carefully) to catch any seeds that might fall out of the calyx, they point down and are flute like, so the ripe seeds have a chance of detaching and rolling out on the floor. A couple weeks pass and I decide to harvest my seeds. It turned out I didn't really need the bag over the flower pod because no seeds feel out from the pod.
I removed the pod from the plant, opened it up and found 2 nice looking seeds!!

I carefully took the 2 seeds and placed them in the 2x2 bag zip it and label it. The seeds were kept at room temperature in the dark. Again I didn't have much confidence anything would come from these 2 seeds because of what I read previously, and that's partially why I was in no hurry to plant the seeds, so they sat for 4 months or so before I decided to plant them.

Around 10 days later I was shocked to see 2 little, very fragile looking seedlings

That was about 3 1/2 weeks ago since I planted the seeds together in a pot with soil consisting of a mix of regular commercial houseplant soil, perlite and cactus soil.

Today is day 9 since they sprouted and for the first time, you can see in the picture that one of the little guys are showing its first true pair of leaves! I'm very excited to see this progression and also very excited to share this with everyone interested!!!

:)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: gnosis on April 05, 2015, 08:31:19 AM: Welcome to STS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: Borstos on April 05, 2015, 11:25:52 AM: Great writeup and nice to hear that it can be done :)

Welcome at STS!
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: fairdinkumseeds on April 05, 2015, 12:57:47 PM: Welcome and super glad to see salvia by seed documented.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: cunningplatypus on April 05, 2015, 03:58:23 PM: Hey When,

That's fantastic! Great job there. :) Please keep the pictures coming.

Welcome to STS!
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: BubbleCat on April 05, 2015, 04:57:48 PM: Welcome, really cool awesome and lucky stiff, keep the strain alive and grow a lot generatively !

Maybe their rough lives contributed to favourable mutation, or its just an awesome strain. Can you name the strain ?

I think I have seen your seedlings elsewhere :D
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: SlowGrow on April 05, 2015, 05:57:12 PM: Amazing! Welcome to sts! :)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on April 05, 2015, 06:30:17 PM: Quote from: gnosis on April 05, 2015, 08:31:19 AM
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Quote from: Borstos on April 05, 2015, 11:25:52 AM
Great writeup and nice to hear that it can be done :)

Welcome at STS!

Quote from: fairdinkumseeds on April 05, 2015, 12:57:47 PM
Welcome and super glad to see salvia by seed documented.

Quote from: cunningplatypus on April 05, 2015, 03:58:23 PM
Hey When,

That's fantastic! Great job there. :) Please keep the pictures coming.

Welcome to STS!

Quote from: SlowGrow on April 05, 2015, 05:57:12 PM
Amazing! Welcome to sts! :)

Thanks a lot guys, it's my pleasure to be here and be able to share this with everyone

:D
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on April 05, 2015, 07:00:09 PM: Quote from: BubbleCat on April 05, 2015, 04:57:48 PM
Welcome, really cool awesome and lucky stiff, keep the strain alive and grow a lot generatively !

Maybe their rough lives contributed to favourable mutation, or its just an awesome strain. Can you name the strain ?

I think I have seen your seedlings elsewhere :D

Thanks!
I believe her struggle for survival may have been a big reason for this. Did her extinct to produce seed kick in after her near death experience? I never cut her for cuttings until after the seeds were set, so did she think she wouldn't be multiplied by cloning so seed were the way to go? There were a few times where she wilted quite severe due to heat and a lack of water, was that a factor? There were some certain rules that were strictly followed such as absolutely no lights turning on during the dark period. I didn't use any special ferts, substrate or water. The soil was store bought houseplant soil as well as the liquid fertilizer,"distilled" tap water sitting for a couple days at room temp was always used.

I'd like to list all the factors that took place for all to try and determine which factors and conditions contributed more or less to the successful propagation and germination of the seeds.

I'm not sure which strain she is, maybe you or someone can help id

Cheers :)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: TBM on April 05, 2015, 07:48:03 PM: Great job! I believe you might be correct about some of the factors which led to seeds; the lack of taking cuttings in addition to the rough beginning, and lack of artificial lights at no lights at night. Perhaps it was because you left the two seeds alone for 4 months which led to easy germination?? Maybe that's just speculation?
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: Chicsa on April 05, 2015, 08:07:34 PM: This is amazing! Welcome to STS!!!!!
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: Skautroll on April 05, 2015, 11:30:03 PM: Awesome work!

Looks like you proved a well established myth to be wrong, S. divinorum has a stable population that reproduce by both seed and cloning. Now we know that S. divinorum is fertile and that there exist actual strains of salvia in the wild.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: fairdinkumseeds on April 06, 2015, 02:51:47 AM: I have noticed that some of my stuff, Passiflora for example germinates faster when it is 12months+ old.
Maybe that age is the reason so many folks fail when trying to grow sally from seed and it isn't that the seed won't grow, just that fungi and rot grows faster than the seed can germinate.
Maybe in nature the seed ripens in the pod, falls from the plant still safe a dry inside, and months later is washed and eroded from its safe little packet ready to sprout?
That delay could be advantageous, staggering germination times as it does in some Passiflora, ensuring the see only sprouts when conditions are perfect and the seasonal rains or whatever have come.
Several folks I have spoke to germinated sally from seed(none documented which is a real shame), and all had the seed sent from a friend or seed they forgot about in a cupboard. All successes that I know of had a delay of several weeks to months before planting and maybe this is a key detail.

Every expert on FB that carries on about sally never growing from seed and being sterile has a story about super fresh straight from the plant seed that never germinated or did but was damaged/mutated/twisted weak and eventually died by about its 3rd set of leaves if not before. Those symptoms could all just be fungal damage to immature tissue, not a sign of genetic abnormality after all.

Would LOVE to show them here but bloody "experts" with closed minds and bad attitude, eh.
Keep up the good work When, take lots of pics, it's important stuff.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on April 06, 2015, 02:31:58 PM: Quote from: TBM on April 05, 2015, 07:48:03 PM
Great job! I believe you might be correct about some of the factors which led to seeds; the lack of taking cuttings in addition to the rough beginning, and lack of artificial lights at no lights at night. Perhaps it was because you left the two seeds alone for 4 months which led to easy germination?? Maybe that's just speculation?

I think there is something to this as well. I don't want to dismiss the slightest detail right now, as it may be the key to the combination that added up to germinated seeds. Those factors you mentioned I believe we're very important. I have taken cuttings which have recently been transplanted. I will be putting one near/under my t5's for growth to see the difference between artificial and natural light on them.

Quote from: Chickasaw Man on April 05, 2015, 08:07:34 PM
This is amazing! Welcome to STS!!!!!

Thanks man, glad to share

Quote from: Skautroll on April 05, 2015, 11:30:03 PM
Awesome work!

Looks like you proved a well established myth to be wrong, S. divinorum has a stable population that reproduce by both seed and cloning. Now we know that S. divinorum is fertile and that there exist actual strains of salvia in the wild.

Thank you! We need more growers taking part with seed propagation. The mother plant needed no coaxing whatsoever to flower, she did it naturally and with vigor, so I thought why wouldn't a plant that flowers so readily not be willing to set seed? it surely had all the parts.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on April 06, 2015, 02:47:07 PM: Quote from: fairdinkumseeds on April 06, 2015, 02:51:47 AM
I have noticed that some of my stuff, Passiflora for example germinates faster when it is 12months+ old.
Maybe that age is the reason so many folks fail when trying to grow sally from seed and it isn't that the seed won't grow, just that fungi and rot grows faster than the seed can germinate.
Maybe in nature the seed ripens in the pod, falls from the plant still safe a dry inside, and months later is washed and eroded from its safe little packet ready to sprout?
That delay could be advantageous, staggering germination times as it does in some Passiflora, ensuring the see only sprouts when conditions are perfect and the seasonal rains or whatever have come.
Several folks I have spoke to germinated sally from seed(none documented which is a real shame), and all had the seed sent from a friend or seed they forgot about in a cupboard. All successes that I know of had a delay of several weeks to months before planting and maybe this is a key detail.

Every expert on FB that carries on about sally never growing from seed and being sterile has a story about super fresh straight from the plant seed that never germinated or did but was damaged/mutated/twisted weak and eventually died by about its 3rd set of leaves if not before. Those symptoms could all just be fungal damage to immature tissue, not a sign of genetic abnormality after all.

Would LOVE to show them here but bloody "experts" with closed minds and bad attitude, eh.
Keep up the good work When, take lots of pics, it's important stuff.

Thanks!
More pics to come. Experts... :P Ha!

Yes I believe you are correct, and that's a very interesting example. I too think the time the seed had to set is a major factor in its survival. It helps to know you have heard of others who have waited before planting that have had success. From the information I've read, the seed should have been infertile after 4-5 months, or have a very very low germination rate. So why did they have a 100% germination rate?... "Experts"
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on April 06, 2015, 05:52:54 PM: Day 11 photo shoot
The other little guy is starting on the first true leaves, so tiny... sorry not seen in pic
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on April 09, 2015, 08:42:59 PM: 60x magnification of Salvia D seedling leaves
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: BubbleCat on April 09, 2015, 08:43:50 PM: You have got Salvia on your dust. ;)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on April 09, 2015, 09:15:22 PM: Quote from: BubbleCat on April 09, 2015, 08:43:50 PM
You have got Salvia on your dust. ;)

Hahaha, ya that little thread of dust is so small I can't see it, until I take a picture. :)
I'm not messing with it. ;)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: Sunshine on April 10, 2015, 07:09:44 PM: Huh, I thought I had commented on this thread before but I guess not. I seem to be one of the few that got their salvia plants to flower as well. I had a beast of a mother plant that I was taking cuttings from which I eventually just let grow out. She must be 1.5-2 feet tall and is branching out like crazy due to all the supercropping/cutting taking.

Anyways, I have her growing under florescent lights and during the winter at one point she was only getting 5-8 hours of light max a day. She started getting those tell-tale signs of flowering so I kept her at those light hours. I do not think age is a factor which plays into flowering. I really think uninterrupted hours of darkness is the defining factor. (14+ hours of pure darkness being needed).

Temperature may play a secondary role, mind you I'm only speculating on this. The temperature in my house can drop pretty low in winter due to inadequate heating and just the fact that it's an old house and doesn't hold heat all that well. I'd say it dropped no lower than 55F, but probably hung closer to 65F during most of the winter.

So anyway, the mother plant flowered and I must have gotten 10-20 or so pods of the plant. Each pod had 4 seeds iirc. The flower would stick out it's style(the white part that catches pollen I presume), and fall off within a day or two max and leave the bottom part; the seed pod, on the plant. The seed pod would take no more than a day to fall off and only several hours to dry out most of the way.

So in the excitement, I started planting the pods at all stages of development. I planted them before they fell of the plant and after, and before they dried out and after. I had never thought to put some in a bag and let them sit for a while before planting. I just presumed they lost viability very quickly like caapi or iboga.

All the while, my coleus was flowering at the same time. So I got the idea to try and make a salvia-coleus cross in the hope that since they were from the same family that they'd at least make a sterile hybrid. No luck though. I think what actually happened is that the one 'seed' that actually did sprout was just a coleus seed that found it's way into where I was planting the salvia seeds.

Fast forward to today, the seeds have been sitting in moist moss for months now. I was looking at your pictures, and the seedlings you have happen to look identical to the ones sprouting out of where I planted the salvia seeds. They didn't sprout until this past month. So here's to hoping that they're salvia seedlings. :D
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on April 20, 2015, 02:16:52 AM: Hi,
Thanks for taking the time to comment and to tell your story. I hope you have positive results from your salvia and possible seedlings!
:)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on April 20, 2015, 02:25:04 AM: Wow, time is flying by... The little ones are progressing well, slowly but healthy. The growing conditions haven't changed and they are responding well to the natural light. I think there might be faster growth now that they've had a few weeks to develop their root systems.

Here's an update from day 22

P.s. Hey Bubblecat, no more dust fuzz !! ;)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: SlowGrow on April 20, 2015, 02:34:10 AM: looking great so far, but they really are close :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on April 20, 2015, 03:08:18 AM: Quote from: SlowGrow on April 20, 2015, 02:34:10 AM
looking great so far, but they really are close :'( :'( :'( :'(

Thanks :) I think they'll be ok, I don't have any intentions of separating them risking potential damage. They are aware of their close proximity and are growing apart, I'm hoping their competition will be a beneficial one.
Stay tuned :)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: Radium on April 20, 2015, 01:03:40 PM: I really would appreciate a few Salvia D seeds.
My country doesn't allow cuttings to enter.
They only allow seeds to pass the border.
I am willing to trade a few seeds with Mod Edit.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: New Wisdom on April 21, 2015, 01:47:31 AM: This is pretty awesome to see!! I wish the best for your little salvia babies.

New Wisdom
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on April 21, 2015, 07:51:57 PM: Quote from: New Wisdom on April 21, 2015, 01:47:31 AM
This is pretty awesome to see!! I wish the best for your little salvia babies.

New Wisdom

Thanks NW :)
They're quite a sight up close, I never thought I'd have this opportunity to grow salvia d seedlings, I'm so careful not to interfere with their progress.

Day 25
Sophia has decided to throw a root out above soil level, neat.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: sporehead on April 22, 2015, 02:13:03 AM: I'm so happy for you! This is quite monumental. I do hope these babies make it. Hopefully you found some magic genes that allows viable seed setting for this plant.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on April 23, 2015, 09:25:58 PM: Quote from: sporehead on April 22, 2015, 02:13:03 AM
I'm so happy for you! This is quite monumental. I do hope these babies make it. Hopefully you found some magic genes that allows viable seed setting for this plant.

Thanks dude, That would be nice.
I'm looking forward to seeing how these turn out. I plan on cloning then crossing them back with the mother and with each other if I'm lucky enough to have them all flowering together. Eventually I'd like to have 2 or more seed clones to flower and cross them to possibly stabilize viable seed production.

Hopefully there will be more research with Salvia D, there seems to be some work to be done here.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on April 25, 2015, 05:31:29 PM: Day 29 ...

Sonya and Sophia
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: BubbleCat on April 25, 2015, 08:58:17 PM: Little more light, maybe ? :-\
I'm by far no expert on Salvia D seedlings, like most here :D keep that in mind
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on April 26, 2015, 02:58:25 AM: Quote from: BubbleCat on April 25, 2015, 08:58:17 PM
Little more light, maybe ? :-\
I'm by far no expert on Salvia D seedlings, like most here :D keep that in mind

Thanks for the comment I appreciate hearing it. :)

This week was a particularly cloudy week, maybe received 8 hrs sun total, mostly cloud cover. On a sunny day they get a maximum of 1200 footcandles and for only an hour or so, and then 700 f/c down to 300 f/c for the rest of the day. Cloudy days bring an avg of aprox 160 f/c. I'm careful not to give them any direct sun, which reads aprox 8000 f/c now.

It's springtime here, so they're following the natural light cycle and gradually getting more and more intense indirect light as the days go by. I'm hesitant to give any supplemental lighting just because I am unsure how the seedlings will react and I want to limit my interference. I have to imagine that if these seedlings were in the wild they probably wouldn't be getting too many f/c, so hopefully my thinking is correct in this but as the season progresses, yes they will be receiving more light as they grow older :)

Cheers :D
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on May 13, 2015, 09:24:21 PM: Tiny sport
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on May 13, 2015, 09:33:09 PM: Day 47 update

Sonya and Sophia
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on May 19, 2015, 12:11:15 PM: Things are coming along...

Day 52
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: BubbleCat on May 19, 2015, 01:12:36 PM: Really cool stuff ! So if I got it right, your not representative amount of seeds got a 100% strike rate ? That makes me hope :) Jon Hanna's accounts go up to about 30% on batches of 100 seeds. Or at least his quotes ( citations ?) .
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: Frog Pajamas on May 19, 2015, 02:47:57 PM: Wow! They're looking really good!

We're about to have some more salvia seeds being sowed with a few more members here, so hopefully we'll have some more sally babies out there and more notes to compare on germ and growing.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on May 19, 2015, 05:26:26 PM: Quote from: BubbleCat on May 19, 2015, 01:12:36 PM
Really cool stuff ! So if I got it right, your not representative amount of seeds got a 100% strike rate ? That makes me hope :) Jon Hanna's accounts go up to about 30% on batches of 100 seeds. Or at least his quotes ( citations ?) .

Yes, 100% only 2 seeds were created, and both sprouted within 8 hrs of each other. I'm growing their mother to flower this fall and to hopefully produce many more seed. I can then determine germination rates more accurately. :)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on May 19, 2015, 05:32:55 PM: Quote from: Frog Pajamas on May 19, 2015, 02:47:57 PM
Wow! They're looking really good!

We're about to have some more salvia seeds being sowed with a few more members here, so hopefully we'll have some more sally babies out there and more notes to compare on germ and growing.

Thanks :)

That's great news!!
I can't wait to see more seedlings grown!!
Let's see if we can make Sally a more prolific seed producer!!!
:)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: BubbleCat on May 19, 2015, 06:20:49 PM: Quote from: When on May 19, 2015, 05:26:26 PM
Yes, 100% only 2 seeds were created, and both sprouted within 8 hrs of each other. I'm growing their mother to flower this fall and to hopefully produce many more seed. I can then determine germination rates more accurately. :)

Jaaaaaa ! :D
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on May 27, 2015, 11:07:21 PM: Update...
Day 60
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: BubbleCat on May 27, 2015, 11:29:59 PM: Wow, I wonder what other accounts on Salvia from seed mean when reporting "strong vigor"
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on June 27, 2015, 04:54:02 PM: It's been far too long.
I've transplanted them into their own pot. They're still together, but now with a bit more leg room.

Day 91 update
Sonya and Sophia
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: Wyald on June 27, 2015, 06:27:44 PM: Amazing!
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: SlowGrow on June 27, 2015, 07:33:26 PM: Looking beautiful! Yay for new genetics :)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on June 27, 2015, 09:36:06 PM: Quote from: Wyald on June 27, 2015, 06:27:44 PM
Amazing!

8)

Quote from: SlowGrow on June 27, 2015, 07:33:26 PM
Looking beautiful! Yay for new genetics :)

Yay! I'll second that! :)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: sporehead on July 26, 2015, 11:26:47 AM: Updats?
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: Sunshine on July 26, 2015, 03:01:18 PM: Groundbreaking! I've been staying tuned since the beginning. Great work buddy. I hope to see more of them in the future. :)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on July 26, 2015, 05:49:54 PM: Hey all,
Thanks sunshine, much more good things to come.

On Day 116
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: BubbleCat on July 26, 2015, 07:23:41 PM: I envy yours :) both seem to develop very synchronized and your leaves look awesome, mine are kinda curled. If I was to change anything about yours: More light probably.

Can you give details on potting mix and humidity chamber ?
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: sporehead on July 26, 2015, 09:23:40 PM: Gorgeous.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: Frog Pajamas on July 26, 2015, 09:43:40 PM: Such a gorgeous color and texture! Beautiful!
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on July 26, 2015, 10:34:11 PM: Quote from: BubbleCat on July 26, 2015, 07:23:41 PM
I envy yours :) both seem to develop very synchronized and your leaves look awesome, mine are kinda curled. If I was to change anything about yours: More light probably.

Can you give details on potting mix and humidity chamber ?
:)
I find that they are real particular towards the light. If I move them too close they immediately turn pale, so I have to back them off and they green up noticeably in 24 hrs.

The seedlings have never had a humidity chamber nor any misting, they grow in open air indoors.
Room humidity ranges from 40% to 70% with 50% being typical. Temp 22c - 26c

I use promix potting mix with mycorrhizae and a lot of added perlite.

:)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: BubbleCat on July 26, 2015, 10:42:51 PM: Mhmmmm I already suspected the "distorted" lef shape on mine being due to the high humidity. Amd I am
suprised as I'd say general rule of thumb is that plamts in higher humidity grow faster. Youre look really big tho...
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: sporehead on July 27, 2015, 12:36:40 AM: I have mine in a 75-80f room with 50% humidity. I spray the plants and soil several times a day, depending on soil moisture. The large one has put up a vigorous shoot in favor of these conditions. The older leaves were formed in drier conditions and new leaves on the same shoot are in favor of the humidity. What will happen to the drier accustomed leaves? The plants are directly under bright light and seem to like it.

The seedling is growing slowly. It did put on a set of true leaves in the one month it has been alive. It does appear to have slowed slightly.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on August 07, 2015, 11:32:30 PM: Update for
Day 134
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: hereje on September 09, 2015, 11:51:20 PM: Beautiful work all - one day i hope to have my own seedlings going :)

I was wondering if this plant grows faster on its natural roots or the root system generated afrer a cutting?
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: plantlight on September 10, 2015, 02:47:00 AM: +1 for sharing your work. So interesting!
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: pureandeasy on September 18, 2015, 04:58:21 PM: Beautiful plants. Congratulations and thank you for sharing! :D
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on October 27, 2015, 12:33:36 AM: Thanks for the kind words everyone !

I'd say we're overdue for an update
My seedlings are all grown up now and Im attempting to flower them this year, no sign of flowers yet, but there's still time.
They'll be repotted together soon maybe tomorrow into a bigger pot, the roots are robust.

Pics at around day 212...
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: plantlight on October 27, 2015, 12:47:17 AM: Quote from: When on October 27, 2015, 12:33:36 AM
Im attempting to flower them this year, no sign of flowers yet

Are you also attempting to flower the mother plant again as well?
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on October 27, 2015, 01:03:09 AM: Yes, they are currently under 12/12, but no sign either.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: plantlight on October 27, 2015, 01:36:14 AM: Quote from: When on October 27, 2015, 01:03:09 AM
Yes, they are currently under 12/12, but no sign either.

Would you please explain how you regulate 12/12 lighting? I read your initial post as the plant receives only natural light. Daylight hours here are about 11 hours now and the days are getting shorter. I wonder if I should supplement with artificial light. :)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: When on October 27, 2015, 02:19:45 AM: Sorry for being vague but Yep that's right, they only receive natural light.
They are receiving Autunm light now and are getting less than 12 hrs light, more like 11.5 hrs and that's decreasing daily.
:)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: The Seedist on May 06, 2016, 03:21:40 PM: Quote from: When on April 06, 2015, 02:31:58 PM
We need more growers taking part with seed propagation.
Looked at your pictures, When. Well done man! Here are mine.

Propagation from SeeD:
sdp01 - 16.09.2015
sdp02 - 01.10.2015
sdp03,-04,-05,-06 - 21.10.2015
sdp07,-08,-09 - 04.11.2015
sdp10 - 22.01.2016
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: The Seedist on May 06, 2016, 03:47:45 PM: Propagation from SeeD:
sdp11,-12,-13 - 17.02.2016
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: Mangrove on May 06, 2016, 07:16:02 PM: Quote from: The Seedist on May 06, 2016, 03:47:45 PM
Propagation from SeeD:
sdp11,-12,-13 - 17.02.2016

KUDOS!!!! ;D :D :P :o ;) 8)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: Wyald on May 07, 2016, 12:11:45 AM: With all the amazing people doing this kind of thing, it wont be very long before we can start trading Salvia seeds and start getting some new genetics out there.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: Sunshine on May 07, 2016, 12:38:28 AM: Seedist- Those leaves look very silky smooth and shiny. Do they have any trichom-y hairs on them? All the salvia I've grown have hairs and no luster like yours has. It almost looks velvety. New genetic variant perhaps?

Thanks for sharing! +1 to Seedest and When for the cool pics :)

-Sunny
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: plantlight on May 07, 2016, 05:16:11 AM: Super sturdy and healthy! What are you feeding 'em? ???
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: The Seedist on May 07, 2016, 11:29:26 AM: Quote from: plantlight on May 07, 2016, 05:16:11 AM
Super sturdy and healthy! What are you feeding 'em? ???
My soil mixture is made of common home flowers or vegetables garden mix soils. The only component I'm usually adding in is rotten straw. I have plastic barrel full of straw, being soaked by water in the beginning of each summer. Three months until Fall is coming - and my mixture is ready for use during the year. That's the feed, and only water of course.
When they were young they grew like crazy. Many-many years ago I had some different clones of SD (I disposed of them because they got me depressed) and all that plants I had from the others' hands were not so strong and full of vital energy like these ones I was happy to encounter with - from the very start in my own pots. It was incredible, you know guys.

Quote from: Sunshine on May 07, 2016, 12:38:28 AM
Seedist- Those leaves look very silky smooth and shiny. Do they have any trichom-y hairs on them? New genetic variant perhaps?
I'll look at them adult plants when will be at home and let you know.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: Bach on May 16, 2016, 12:17:40 AM: That sheen Sunshine is asking about is exactly what one strives for when growing Salvia. When you get that 'velvet emerald' look you know they are happy.

I'm only familiar with the 'Hofmann/Wasson' claone and the Bloser clone (been growing them for 25 years) but they both get that sheen when conditions are right.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: Hummingbird on May 17, 2016, 12:09:58 AM: Love seeing Salvia Divinorum plants grown from seed. I see it's not as unusual as it was in the past.
It's very interesting, because of the unique genetics and rarity of this method of propagation.

Offtopic - I read a study months ago about Salvia Divinorum not being directly related to Salvia genus.
It's supposedly from a different plant family, if someone is interested also got the study somewhere on the hard drive.

I had a Salvia plant which had a distinct smell when it was the happiest, usually in the morning. Never smelled anything similar.
Very interesting plant to grow. One of my favorites.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: sporehead on May 17, 2016, 04:00:35 AM: I'd be interested to read the study on salvia. I think we all would :)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: Hummingbird on May 19, 2016, 06:15:07 AM: Can't find the study anywhere, on the hard disk nor online. And I swear I had it somewhere.
Here is a similar study I found, only abstract though..
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10265-010-0394-6
It puts Salvia Divinorum in Salvia genus, but they found a closely related Salvia species,
called Salvia Venulosa. There is not much info about the species online, though.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: The Seedist on May 21, 2016, 01:43:10 PM: From Botanical Museum Leaflets. Volume 20, 1962-64.
A New Mexican Psychotropic Drug from the Mint Family
by R. Gordon Wasson.

Flowering Salvia divinorum E. & J., 'hojas de la Pastora', held by Irmgard Weitlaner Johnson, 1962. Photo by Wasson.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: The Seedist on May 22, 2016, 11:00:54 PM: Quote from: sporehead on May 17, 2016, 04:00:35 AM
I'd be interested to read the study on salvia. I think we all would :)
The Entheogen Review. VOLUME XVI, NUMBER 4 WINTER SOLSTICE 2008

Lost in Jonathan Ott’s Footsteps: Acetone Tinctures of SALVIA DIVINORUM by Zhah

First Look at a New Psychoactive Drug: Symmetry (salvinorin B ethoxymethyl ether) by Dr. Mercury and Dr. Feelodd

https://archive.org/details/TheEntheogenReviewComplete19922008

Peopled Darkness: Perceptual Transformation through Salvia divinorum by J.D. Arthur. 2008.
(iUniverse, 2021 Pine Lake Road, Suite 100, Lincoln, NE 68512, (800) 288-4677, www.iuniverse.com) ISBN: 978-0-595-45583-6 [5" 5 8", paperback, $11.95], ISBN: 978-0-595-89884-8 [e-book, $6.00], 88 pages.
or http://www.innertraditions.com/salvia-divinorum.html

Sage Spirit: Salvia Divinorum and the Entheogenic Experience by Martin W. Ball. 2007.
(Kyandara Publishing, www.lulu.com/content/939768) ISBN: 978-0-6151-5708-5 [6" 5 9", paperback, $14.95], ISBN: 978-0- 6151-5708-4 [e-book, $10.00], 140 pages.

http://www.innertraditions.com/shamanic-quest-for-the-spirit-of-salvia.html

Dale Pendell. Salvia divinorum, from Pharmako/Poeia: Plant Powers, Poisons, and Herbcraft.
Mercury House, San Francisco, 1995.
Get dpsd.pdf attachment
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: The Seedist on June 03, 2016, 01:37:42 PM: Quote from: sporehead on May 17, 2016, 04:00:35 AM
I'd be interested to read the study on salvia. I think we all would :)
I guess we need to search for more information on the works of R. Montgomery.
'Rob Montgomery, ethnobotanist and founder of the BOTANICAL PRESERVATION CORPS, has been studying the pharmacology, cultivation, and distribution of Salvia divinorum for ten years.' Entheogen Review, Vol. VIII, #3 (1999)
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: GrowerAndaShower on August 04, 2016, 07:41:45 PM: Not trying to hijack this thread, but...
I think it'd be really cool if we could get some Salvia Venulosa to try crossing with Divinorum. Y'all have already started figuring out seed production, if Venulosa produces seeds more readily than Divinorum it's possible adding their genes together(if compatible) might get some Divinorum plants that seed more easily. I feel like with some creative crossing we should be able to get some pretty interesting new traits, like possibly better cold hardiness(would take some work for this), different flower colors, etc. I feel it definitely needs to be explored. It's too bad it isn't a species in cultivation and only grows native in a small area(of Columbia I believe).
Who knows what could result? those of you who've figured out flowering fairly well, and have other salvias in your collections, should try crossing Sally with whatever you've got, just to see if a hybrid is possible with any of them.
At least that's what I'm feeling.
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: The Seedist on August 25, 2016, 04:14:35 PM: GAS do you have someone familiar in Colombia to start searching for Salvia venulosa seeds there?
http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?/topic/27383-divinorum-hybrid-venulosa/
http://www.golatofski.de/Pflanzenreich/gattung/s/salvia.html

'In 2010, a molecular phylogenetic approach by sequencing of Salvia divinorum and a number of related species determined the closest relative as Salvia venulosa and that the species is not a hybrid.[44]' http://botanikaljubicica.blogspot.fr/
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: GrowerAndaShower on August 25, 2016, 07:26:18 PM: I wish, I was hoping someone on the forum here would know someone in Columbia, or have a way to get ahold of someone. I just recently got my first Salvia D cutting to root(this month), but I would love to begin growing Venulosa in preparation for trying to get my plants to flower in a year or two(if this is even possible, depending how big they get in that timeframe)
I think it would definitely be worth trying to source some though. Y'all are probably better connected than I am in that regard, I'm in Indiana and even locally I don't know a lot of people(I'm unfortunately a little socially anxious). Nowhere near Columbia, and we don't have many Columbians to my knowledge in my redneck little town. Want a rare plant from China and I may be able to get some connections, I've got friends at Purdue and there are a lot of Chinese and Japanese students. It wouldn't be hard to have my friends introduce me to a few connections to send some feelers out for a few seeds, but I've got no connections to Columbia :P
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: The Seedist on August 25, 2016, 11:34:37 PM: SD can grow very fast. About one meter tall during half a year. Mine propagated from seeds are such ones. I also will try to talk with some people in Columbia, it doesn't matter where you do live - in redneck little town or in another hole - you always need to be connected to whole world instead of your inability. To live with rare plants in your house/greenhouse or to die - that's how I understand/see such situation in one's life.

http://sharetheseeds.me/forum/index.php?topic=4093.0
Title: Re: Salvia Divinorum seedlings from propagated seeds
Post by: plantlight on August 25, 2016, 11:57:40 PM: Quote from: The Seedist on August 25, 2016, 11:34:37 PM
it doesn't matter where you do live - in redneck little town or in another hole - you always need to be connected to whole world instead of your inability. To live with rare plants in your house/greenhouse or to die - that's how I understand/see such situation in one's life

True words of wisdom :)