Share The Seeds
Gardening Area => Seeds and Germination => Topic started by: MadPlanter on April 26, 2015, 12:08:51 AM
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Way back maybe two years ago(lol) when I first received some E. coca seeds I ordered from kiwi I hadn't a clue on how to plant them. Only real thing I could find was some guy growing them in straight vermiculite. Probably could have done it that way but I just went to my potting soil and mixed in a ton of extra perlite and used that.
The seeds were already sprouting very well when I opened it so I was stoked to have a bunch of these guys going. I went ahead and planted them about a 1/4" deep under the soil other than one that had significant stem length. So I expected a few days to babies all over but after a week none had popped through. So I waited thinking that seed was fairly sizable it must be able to come through when they were ready. Waited another week...nothing. so did dig a few out to find them all rotted. I got that one lonely seedling through to be a full foot tall or more with several branches and it fared the first winter outside and did better than the novos that are a month or two younger. So this year I thought surly that it could fare the winter outside but noooooo! On the coldest night we had it got defoliated and burnt something fierce so I brought it in but it never recovered. B. muricata suffered the same fate as well but it was a pretty small plant. Never got seeds from the coca so I lost the species and haven't ordered again...yet.
On to the novos. Having learned my lesson with the coca seeds I was better equipped for the second round. The coca did well so the soil mix remained the same. Mix was densely rich but sandy potting soil with lots of extra perlite. This mix has little peat content its mainly compost and sand.
This round though with the novo I made small holes big enough to set the seeds that were again sprouting...(thanks dbotany!)...snugly roots down but allowing for the seed on the top side to be free to the sky. Around the seed in its snug hole I placed a ring of moist sphagnum moss for humidity on the seed shell to keep it pliable for the seedling to shed easier later. Still leaving the air free above the seed...Don't burry these guys! They are weak sprouters!
Humidity being mentioned I must add that with both coca and novos they were started in a clear plastic humidity box. Set in strong but mostly indirect light. This whole process kept the seed shells so pliable that all shed them problems free. Got 20/24 on the novo batch to survive! Then I killed a few over time but had like 14 long term survivers.
Acclimation of these guys is easy too. After a few true leaves crack the lid on the box a half inch the first day and incrementally increase the size every day for a week or so until you can fully take it off with no wilting. If wilting occurs close box fast and start over after they recover!
Can be adapted to full sun quickly too! Partial shade at first moving them farther in the sun over a week or two! That's it folks! Grow them babies!
Peace
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Man, it took 24 days, but I suddenly have 9 of 17 seeds sprouted! Thanks, MP!!
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Yeah, mine just came up all of a sudden too! They are sure holding on to that seed coat...
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Out of 40 I've planted probably now have 75% up and 30% have dropped the coat. All happened in the last day or two for the seed coats. Most sprouts were taking place a week or so ago. I keep them really humid until the seed coat is off then lower it down incrementally.
Good grow vibes y'all!
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Epic germination rate! ;D
Thanks again MP!
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Don't let the seeds and seedcoats dry out, I've found.
Planted my first round of 41 seeds in Rapid Rooting cubes. BAD idea, had to check on them daily. They couldn't push themselves out of the cube and half died.
This time around, I have some novos in 6 different soil mediums, gonna figure out which works the best! Will post a grow log when they sprout.
Used very rich potting soil typically meant for cannabis, which burned most of the plants to death. This time I'm going heavy with plain coco coir.
I've found they don't like being overwatered, and they hate fungus gnats. Seems their roots are very sensitive
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I'm having moderate success with plain peat moss shreds. Planted maybe 40 seeds two(?) weeks ago. They've been popping up over the last week or so. More seems to be germinating. Seed coats remain attached, however.
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It seems the seed coat is a double layer, the outer one when drying gets hard and brittle, the inner one is just a thin kind of skin. So removing the outer one is quite easy whilst the layer under it will most likely need any removal and the plant manages that by itself :)
Obviously best would still be conditions in which the plant manages all by itself.
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They're about an inch tall, now erect and strong enough to support the weight of the seed coat. I'm going to look at them later. Hopefully the coat is moist enough to shed
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It also appears the seedcoat isnt intendet to split, much more it is designed to come of as a whole / the seedling pulls its leave out / the seedcoat can be pulled of the seedling if time has come. Also a little tampering with the seedcoat at the end where the stem emerges might help, have no fear as the inner seedcoat is thick and the actual cotylodons appear to be coverin no larger crosssection inside of it than the stem does.
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Leaves curled downward, too dry ?
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Its possible. I start mine in a humidity dome them acclimate after a few leaves. Add humidity and see what happens.
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Confirmed, sealing everything tightly with tape upped the humidity which in turn made the leaves come back into shape. Could also be the sun downing, who knows.
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They like sun. My little guys are still chilling in semi shade though. Soon to hit full light after their first transplant.
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Missed a watering and now they're toast! Hoping some seeds are late to germinate.
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Just picked a few today if you wanna try again.
Peace
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Had great germination with coco coir and lava sand. The seedlings seemed to do well without humidity dome but it I guess they need a little more even in South Florida. I have 1 that seems ok and will be placed in high humidity. I regret experimenting on half the seedlings as they all just died off. :o perhaps would have a survivor if put them in higher humidity.
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No worries! If you need more seeds just let me know! Will have more soon.
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I see a fresh one coming up! Will kept you updated. Gotta get this plant happy.
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I have had ~90% germination on the seeds that I started indoor under lights with a heating pad & humidity dome.
0% germination on the ones I tried to start in my greenhouse.
I have gotten into just pulling the seed coat off by hand, breaking it along the seam with my fingernail & sliding it right off. I have not hurt a plant yet with this technique.
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Ya man good to see that everyone is getting results!
I got 36/40 to sprout so far.
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Finally got some seedlings again! Several have discarded the seed casing and are growing quickly. I noticed some clear worms in the substrate. They seemed to be eating the seed coat and remaining fruit. Most appear dead now. Fungus gnat larvae? When do i transplant these guys? They're touching the top of the humidity dome.
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I start my novo seeds in damp sphagnum moss then transfer them to potting soil when the root is about 1/2". I let the plastic wrap stay over them until the seed coat drops off, I dont force it off though if it looks like it can't do it on its own I have to or it will die anyway.
My plants are fairly mature, about 3' tall, one or two might be 4'. I don't let them get too tall. They crank out the flowers and fruit until it gets cold which it will soon. I take them inside during cold spells.
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Just wanted to show my 8 months worth of babying these seeds. Thanks Madplanter