Share The Seeds
General and Off Topic => General Discussion => Topic started by: MadPlanter on August 31, 2016, 02:33:52 AM
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2016/08/30/dea-to-place-kratom-mitragynine-on-schedule-i-premature-move-may-compromise-research-benefits/#239bdf279245
Will post a petition link here soon.
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/please-do-not-make-kratom-schedule-i-substance
For anyone interested in signing. Its a damn shame this is even an issue. Thanks Uncle Sam for protecting me from nothing.
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Signed. I hope it will amount to something.
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Im on it. Scheduled at trial until Friday but rest assured all guns blazing until our elected officials 'get it.'
-Ian
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Signed! No idea how to get more signatures, but I have faith! I'll post in reddit.
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If members have a Facebook and are willing they should post the petition on their wall, assuming their Facebook friends would sign it. I already see the Forbes link about it being scheduled soon being posted by pages angry with yet another stupid DEA scheduling so it wouldn't take much effort to post the petition link in the comments.
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Another petition --- Remove the power of scheduling from the dea --- https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-power-scheduling-dea
Sadly it looks like this is the end of kratom, The dea's not going to cancel their order of intent, and congress is not going to act in 30 days
Saddly this will do immediate harm to so many ex-addicts as most will go back to traditional opiates/opioids, RC's herion ect.
Hmmm, are you guys going to call the dea to cut down your tree's ?
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Let not your heart be troubled my 3%er friend. For the republic can still be salvaged as long as we continue to have the 1st Amendment...
im great with guns, just ask the Erhabi.
but words are my weapon now. While not as potent as the POTUS pen, I wade forward stylus in hand...
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Let not your heart be troubled my 3%er friend. For the republic can still be salvaged as long as we continue to have the 1st Amendment...
im great with guns, just ask the Erhabi.
but words are my weapon now. While not as potent as the POTUS pen, I wade forward stylus in hand...
1st ? ?
mayabe the 2nd
oh never mind, thats long gone, what are we salvaging again . . .
As far as im concerned everything after the Declaration of Independence can go
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It's ridiculous. Remember though that private plant collectors and users will mostly disregard the rules. They can't police us all.
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As far as im concerned everything after the Declaration of Independence can go
Yep, looks like the government of the people by the people and for the people has been taken over by government employees.
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Sighned. Cant keep me down!
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Hmmm, are you guys going to call the dea to cut down your tree's ?
No hell no and if they ever come looking for mine they can have some bullets first at a few thousand meters per second!
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I think it would be funny if they were suddenly bombard with calls about removing plants on the 29th
29th it's legal 30th at 12.01 its a schedule 1 . . .
If I lived in florida I would be calling telling them to remove unwanted tree's of my property, any tree's im not botanist neither are they and im taking no chances
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Let's just say hypothetically someone were to actually contact the DEA saying: "Hey I've got a few mature Kratom plants on my property can you come remove them before the deadline?". Would they actually spend taxpayer money to cut those plants down? What if they were to get an influx of people making requests like that, so many to the point they end up running out time before deadline to fulfill all the requests made? Would they criminally charge those people who admitted to having it on their property or let our slide since they tried to have removed properly?
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These people are out of their minds! Schedule 1 is so F'd up!!!
I can hear it now, "We're scheduling this as sched 1 bc it's bad for you... has no medical value........ oh yeah, and we're not going to let anyone research it to prove otherwise".
Disgusting!
Signed and letter being drafted.
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Let's just say hypothetically someone were to actually contact the DEA saying: "Hey I've got a few mature Kratom plants on my property can you come remove them before the deadline?". Would they actually spend taxpayer money to cut those plants down? What if they were to get an influx of people making requests like that, so many to the point they end up running out time before deadline to fulfill all the requests made? Would they criminally charge those people who admitted to having it on their property or let our slide since they tried to have removed properly?
Exactly my point, what if tonight they discover the proposed schedule 1 compounds Mitragynine and 7-Hydroxymitragynine in maple tree's and their was a public outcry to remove them ? ?
Or what if they found schedule 1 compounds naturally occurring in humans and again their was a outcry to remove them ? ? (oh wait ghb dmt opioids ect.)
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We can also play the RC game.. and plant more M hirsuta :P I foresee a huge demand for Mitraphylline in the near future lol well, not so funny :-\
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When will they learn prohibition will only lead to a pointless game of cat and mouse?
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Pretty soon they will schedule all of our ethnobotanicals :(
Something needs to be done about this. When you go around banning certain plants that are more or less harmless because of what substances they contain how then can you still be promoting this illusion of "freedom" we all "possess"
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When will they learn prohibition will only lead to a pointless game of cat and mouse?
That's exactly the point. All government bureaucracies need to justify their existence, increase their budget, and convince the sheeple that they are doing something.
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When will they learn prohibition will only lead to a pointless game of cat and mouse?
That's exactly the point. All government bureaucracies need to justify their existence, increase their budget, and convince the sheeple that they are doing something.
Hey they are doing alot --- 6 figure salerys, pensions, keeping jails/prisions stoked with non-criminals and lets not forget about all the seatbelt tickets and redlight camera's and if your lucky they will throw a flash bang into your newborn's crib while choking you to death for a cigarette.
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Hah, no. They'd demand you remove them yourself or face potential persecution.
The sad part is that they're banning it not because people are dying from ithe but rather people aren't buying their legal, safe (heh, yeah right!) Opiates/opiods. This is curruption at its finest.
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Well put Sunny. The reason this is happening as I see it is simple. Kratom's popularity over here has skyrocketed in the last decade let alone the last couple years. They are sneaking in the law asap because they know a few more years down the road they'd have another fight like marijuana legalization on their hands. They gotta beat it to the punch before there's too much support and education about it. Stopping it now there will never build the support needed to overturn the laws. No one will be able to research it, less will try it, and there's isn't the demand yet to really spur huge black market efforts so it'll just fade away into ambiguity. No competition from another miracle plant that cannot be OD'd on and is much more helpful and beneficial than what they produce as an alternative. God forbid it can help you escape from the grasp of their addictive unhealthful destroying substances too.
Another conspiracy for the record...
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What really really burns me up is just last week in the hospital I was talking to a few people who were trying to get off painkillers or stop methadone and I told them about Kratom and how its helped a lot of people heal from there addiction and I said, half joking " you better get some soon before it's made illegal" I had no idea it was happening now.
Now I feel like I jinxed it xC
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Nah.. you didn't jinx it at all. These things don't happen overnight. It's long been in the works. I just read a disturbing email that was posted at nexus on this topic. It suggests the letter of intent was drafted in May, and held secretly, until the last minute so that any attempts to object would be minimized. It also alleges that this was absolutely a ploy by big pharma. I am outraged.
On a positive note. My gf, who isn't into any of this stuff, and has heard me ranting, just informed me that one of her friends posted on FB about this. Her friend is friends with the owner of a local Kava bar that serves Kratom. Lots of positive support in response. I had my gf link the petition. Probably too little too late.. but only bc it looks like it was purposefully orchestrated that way.
We are in desperate need of a national activist organization. I'm probably at the far end of the spectrum in that I believe no drug should be illegal. But it is totally incomprehensible to me that we start creating a list (a long list) of PLANTS that are illegal to grow. Outlawing lifeforms... Insanity.
So here is a call to arms. We need a group that lobbys for the natural right of all to GROW any damn thing they want!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'll join! Not sure what I could contribute, but I'd get the word out and talk enthusiastically about it! That's a cause I can get behind.
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Kudos to Forbes for reporting without drug histeria bias
The DEA Is Placing Kratom And Mitragynine On Schedule I (http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2016/08/30/dea-to-place-kratom-mitragynine-on-schedule-i-premature-move-may-compromise-research-benefits/#7b641a807924)
"In the last two months, published research has pointed to why kratom might be a useful and safer alternative to prescription opioids."
This explains it all folks.
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Another conspiracy for the record...
everything about what is happening right now in this country seems like a god damned conspiracy.
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“We have the money, the power, the medical understanding, the scientific know-how, the love and the community to produce a kind of human paradise. But we are led by the least among us – the least intelligent, the least noble, the least visionary.” - Terence McKenna
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Love the quote but I don't totally agree. I think were led by very cunning crooks whom are smarter than most normal people and that's how its got as ridiculous as it has. Perhaps Terrance knew this and that was a hidden joke in the quote. Calling them "the least" when in fact that's just to piss them off knowing they aren't but that's the way they make themselves appear to a lot of us cockroaches. Maybe I'm reading too deeply at the moment as I know the quote doesn't really suggest that ramble of mine.
Anyways another help the Kratom cause link:
http://www.americankratom.org/take_action
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(http://sharetheseeds.me/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4155.0;attach=22112;image)
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^^ That gave me a good laugh ;D
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A great reddit thread on at least one place to call with your complaint or send a letter. With a great example of a letter.
Karen B. DeSalvo (Assistant Sectetary of Health) (https://www.reddit.com/r/kratom/comments/50dnmz/karen_b_desalvo_assistant_sectetary_of_health/)
"Contact the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health (ASH)
Phone: 202-690-7694 Email: ASH@hhs.gov Postal Address: 200 Independence Avenue, SW Room 716G Washington, DC 20201 Web Site: hxxp://www.hhs.gov/ash Media Inquiries: ashmedia@hhs.gov and 202-205-0143 Acting Assistant Secretary: Karen B. DeSalvo, M.D., M.P.H., M.Sc."
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Just thought I'd share, a friend of mine who just got out of the Marines replied to a post I made on Facebook. It's encouraging that people who don't use it and don't know what it is are willing to stand up and fight with us!
I don't have a big audience, but some of my Facebook friends do and I've been posting articles and links like crazy all week, and I've had people sharing our cause. A big enough fuss will stop them, I believe it. We just have to keep fighting and getting the information out!
I've also contacted some local and national radio talk show hosts, asking them to read the articles and bring up the fight on air. So far I've heard nothing, but please guys, use every avenue available to get the word out. We're going to need national outrage in order to fight this corruption!
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We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force. – Ayn Rand
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Sign the petitions Please
The main one
Please do not make Kratom a Schedule I Substance (gaining traction 47,000 signatures in 3 days)
--- https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/please-do-not-make-kratom-schedule-i-substance?utm_campaign=URGENT%253A%2B%2BKratom%2BSchedule%2B1_57c5cefc597ed73d10aad81b&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter
Remove the power of scheduling from the dea
--- https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-power-scheduling-dea
Stop the dea's scheduling of kratom (only need's 40 more signatures)
--- https://www.change.org/p/food-and-drug-administration-stop-the-dea-s-scheduling-of-kratom-september-30th?recruiter=591540623&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink
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So just read the original article posted and they specifically wanna schedule Mitragyna speciosa and mitragynine. So if push comes to shove we can start spreading 'Kra thum khok'; Mitragyna hirsuta since they didn't ban Mitragyna sp. and active compound is mitraphylline. Javanica also has a different active, mitrajavine, so if we are able to get seeds or a plant into circulation.
DEA could just run just treat Mitragyna sp. as a blanket ban since mitraphylline and mitragnine are similar. I'm surprised they don't just ban everything under the analog act.
Some vendors will start selling kratom as these other sp. to try and surpass the law.
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Or instead, they could just ban life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness, get it all done in one fell swoop and be done with it. :).
Sorry, I'm in a bad mood because of this whole situation. Not that it affects me directly because kratom is way at the bottom of my list of things that matter to me. Personal liberty and freedom of choice, however, is way at the top.
I hope for the sake of all who are personally affected that the ban does not take place as expected but at least gets put on hold if not outright stopped.
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How do they even have the authority to do this? Their function is supposed to be enforcement of existing laws, not legislation right?
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So what Mitragyna species looks most like the 'evil' spesoia ? ?
Im thinking Mitragyna javanica ? ? But am not realy sure ?
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http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pharma-kratom-dea-patent/
Another good article on kratoms ban. Those bastards...
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Shared on FB, along with every other article I've found on the ban. I post multiple times a day about Kratom. I will not give up this fight! my family has expressed frustration with my obsessive posting, because it fills up their news feeds. My response was "Share it, stop the ban, and I'll stop posting" ;D
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Another interesting tidbit.
http://www.eraofwisdom.org/pharmaceutical-kratom-real-reason-kratom-ban-new-opioid-bu08028-derived-mitragynine/
https://m.reddit.com/r/kratom/comments/51zcua/why_september_30th_may_not_be_dday_after_all_long/?utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=true
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When I can I'll post the newest development in the fight. A buddy of mine is a supplier and moderator of many Kratom sites. He and his group are working with Anonymous right now making a video on the whole thing. I saw the unfinished draft yesterday which I thought was great as is.
In other news the lawyers he's also working with are saying right now its a 50/50 chance.
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Was pretty surprised this reached my news feed on flipboard on my phone. :)
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/09/12/493295493/kratom-advocates-speak-out-against-proposed-government-ban
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An awesome (and unexpected to my cynical mind) development...
http://www.thecre.com/forum11/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/CRE-DEA-Kratom-1.pdf
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DAMN! Go CRE! That letter hits all the pertinent points and hopefully will jerk a knot in the DEAs tail.
Several chinks in DEAs armor have been exposed over the last few years with regard to the marjuana legalization movement and so one can only hope that this portends a more rational approach to controlled substances.
Did you know that if you admit to ever having used an illegal substance you cannot get a job in the DEA? (Not that I would want to but...) They are thus predisposed to being true believers that perceive 'drug users' as being 'other', and therefore just as likely to be swayed by reason as were the Spanish inquisitors or Joseph McCarthy (which is to say, not very).
With continued public support and some level-headedness in government dare we hope for an end to the pharmacratic inquisition?
EDIT: I look forward to the day when someone asks the DEA (preferably at a congressional hearing) "Have you no decency?"
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Interesting read: "Why the DEA banned kratom"
http://lfb.org/dea-banned-kratom-im-drinking-now/
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IF we ban kratom it will go away. To prison. Just like all the other rapists, father stabbers, Oedipial mother-lovers, DMT cooks, mescaline munchers and pawnbroker murderers on the cell blocks.
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Ban will not go into effect tomorrow, September 30: http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/kratom-ban-united-states-dea-update-washington-d-c-letters-will-kratom-be-banned/
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20160919/what-is-kratom-dea-ban.html
My momma sent me this article this morning; anyone wanna give us their take on it?
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The real question now is how should we petition the FDA to keep it legal? The DEA has had its say; now the ball is in the FDA's court
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plantlight beat me to it but it appears the ban is on hold, I say appears because I cannot find corroborating articles.
-Ian
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The real question now is how should we petition the FDA to keep it legal? The DEA has had its say; now the ball is in the FDA's court
I believe the fda can only regulate it and request agency's like customs steal/destroy shipments ?
I dont think for a second that the dea is done with kratom, their just proceeding with caution.
i would be very interested in seeing the history of substances that the dea has 'emergency scheduled' and the outcomes of each case. The only one im aware of that their was much of a push back on was MDMA in the 1980's . They actualy took them to court with tons of evidence in favor of citizens and yet lost .
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Meh. Who needs kratom (other than opiate addicts and chronic pain patients) when you've got this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRJ3wQFoMHc
Keep calm and just ISAM it on.
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Yeah, letter from US Senators this time! Orin Hatch was the lead signatory. I didn't realize, but apparently he is a big advocate for the herbal supplement industry.
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Mangrove - you can play with your butterflys :) :)
Im waiting on some U-47700 samples
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We WON!!!!
http://speciosa.org/dea-withdrawal-of-notice-of-intent-to-temporarily-place-mitragynine-and-7-hydroxymitragynine-into-schedule-i/
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Now its getting kratom to stay off the scheduling list. It's all up to research now. Still, it has a potential of abuse, I wonder when humans can respect an entheogen.
Edit: Also, Kratom shouldn't fall into the hands of bug pharma
Edit 2: leaving the typo; yeah they're a pest
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I'm sure that any legitimate research that they use on Kratom won't come to a bad conclusion. Anything could be abused including the s*** that legal like alcohol and tobacco. However a Kratom abuse is hardly detrimental. all you might have happen is get sick...
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http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57fd534fe4b0e9c7022999ea
A pretty well written not very bias article on the matter.
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Amazing!
Used to be the DEA was beholden to no one, listened to no one and was immune to reason.
The times may be a changin'!
I don't use kratom but I'm happy I don't have to cut down my 17 foot tall specimen. ;D
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Now it'll only be a matter of months until dextroamphetamine and carfentanil become OTC, too...
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http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/with-2-weeks-to-go-american-kratom-association-urges-kratom-community-to-speak-up-now-and-get-10000-comments-in-to-dea-300365196.html
http://www.kratomcomments.org/#/5/
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http://www.regulations.gov/
Is that a trap ?