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Auxin

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Pan Seed White Aya
« on: October 09, 2013, 06:22:14 AM »
So I ordered some of these 'white ayahuasca' seeds thinking I could ID them before any sprouted.
One germinated and I'm still lost ;D
Vine segments going around as 'white caapi' apparently can be B. caapi, Alicia anisopetala, or Tetrapterys methystica but these seeds dont match any Banisteriopsis, Alicia, or Tetrapterys species I've looked up. I even just looked up representatives from every Malpighiaceae genera I could find, nothing.
What is this critter?
And are any of the circulating brew or smoke reports from this specific species?

Inside those heart shaped flaps theres a 'wrapper' around the seed with one horn on one side and a set of two on the other.
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Re: Pan Seed White Aya
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2013, 07:33:32 AM »
Its not red or yellow. It looks like black.
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Re: Pan Seed White Aya
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2013, 10:11:18 AM »
Black usually refers either to caapi or A. anisopetala.
B. caapi (and B. muricata) seeds look like maple seeds and A. anisopetala looks like a butterfly.
Have you seen a vine with these kinds of seeds in use at all?

Its hard to tell with the color coding of commercial vine, but from what I could make out at the nexus no one seems to have IDed or bioassayed vines from these seed yet. It looks as if the species simply just appeared as seeds with no backstory or identification.
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Re: Pan Seed White Aya
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2013, 12:57:13 PM »
I received those same seeds from kiwi and I was warned they may not be viable and of coarse they didn't sprout. Yours are though...did you get those from kiwi. Maybe a fresher batch? I couldn't come to the bottom of what they were either with much research. However in the past I did find one site with a botanical specimens chart for this plant but I couldn't find it again. This was way before I had the seeds physically and I didn't pay attention to what the species name was just that it said white aya.
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Re: Pan Seed White Aya
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2013, 04:08:38 PM »
That could be the mysterious "shahuan peco".  :o
« Last Edit: October 09, 2013, 09:28:12 PM by odara »
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Auxin

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Re: Pan Seed White Aya
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2013, 07:56:38 PM »
Seeds came from world seed supply. Ordered them 2 weeks ago.
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Re: Pan Seed White Aya
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2013, 10:04:08 PM »
I've also been very curious about what exactly this plant is. I was thinking about ordering a live one from kiwiboancaya.

Quote from: odara on October 09, 2013, 04:08:38 PM
That could be the mysterious "shahuan peco".  :o
What's this shahuan peco?
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Re: Pan Seed White Aya
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2013, 12:07:00 AM »
I'm not sure if I can talk about it here, but it's kind of a mysterious etnobotanical plant similar to B. caapi. Didn't find much info, only know about it because someone asked me for that.
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Re: Pan Seed White Aya
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2013, 12:35:23 AM »
You can talk about it. Just not about it's consumption. :)
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Re: Pan Seed White Aya
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2013, 05:54:59 AM »
Has anyone seen someone post a pic of these plants?
I have a rather unexpected hypothesis...
After going through the entire Malpighiaceae family yet again, I accepted the possibility it might be something else. Thats when I remembered a local Rumex species with seed similar to this, Rumex crispus shows the similarity too, as do many other species as well as the mexican Antigonon leptopus showing quite a similarity.
I think this critter just might be somewhere in Polygonaceae!
Another 50 genera, another 1200 species, but this time with most seed looking similar to this ;D I'm stuck without seeing an adult plant.
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Re: Pan Seed White Aya
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2016, 12:04:01 AM »
I just posted about kiwi resurfacing here www.amazonian-seeds.com

What is interesting is that this White Aya now has the name 'Drimonya' as if it is the genus.
Here http://www.amazonian-seeds.com/426165953/category/677670/live-plants

Are we closer to an ID for this guy?  A quick google search turns up nothing.

As a side note, mine are growing very very slowly..
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Re: Pan Seed White Aya
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2016, 03:52:34 AM »
Ha, got all excited for a second when I saw your picture of the seeds.
Those seeds look a lot like Antigonon leptopus(not that it's any help)
I know where there is about 200meters of it taking over a little creek in town.
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Re: Pan Seed White Aya
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2016, 05:24:02 AM »
Whatever it is it doesn't like cold at all. I lost mine this past winter and it was exposed to temps that were perhaps in the 40s (F) briefly but brought in for the remainder of the season. It just dwindled, losing leaf after leaf and then finally gave up.   :(
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Re: Pan Seed White Aya
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2016, 01:54:34 PM »
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Re: Pan Seed White Aya
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2016, 09:27:37 PM »
Nice Work Plantlight!  How in the world did you come up with that? ..out of curiosity

Mine hasn't bloomed but the leaves look right.  And the seed coats look right.  Mine is growing EXTremeLy slowly.  Although I'm getting ready to repot several of my vine seedlings.. none of which currently have no trellis.  Hoping that introducing a trellis to the 'sericeus'  8) will provide it the impetus to 'take off'  ;D

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