Share The Seeds
Gardening Area => Advanced Cultivation Techniques => Topic started by: Da-1 on November 02, 2013, 02:13:23 PM
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Hi ev1
I am not sure if this post should go here if not admin plz move it, ok so here it go's I am trying New Wisdom's cement tek in the hope of getting my Gymnocalycium to give me seeds, the 2nd part of this is 2 try get seeds from crossing flowers, this is the 1st time I am ever trying stuff like this and my 1st cacti 2 flower aswell, so let's start the 1st picture is the un-touched flower, 2nd is taking pollen on 4x swobs 3 will be for the other plant to try cross it, the flowers are a few weeks from being ready, the 4th swob I can send to any member here that would like it, the 3rd pic is the cement swob going in and the 4th pic is after the test's, I need to know how long will it take b4 the fruit is ready and I can harvest seeds to see if they are viable? Thanks for reading.
Regards, Da-1
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Keep in mind that the tek is not mine. I don't want to be taking credit for it. I had nothing to do with making it.
Good luck my friend. I hope that it works! By the way this plant is definitely a Gymnocalycium.
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Hey NW
Thanks bro I know its not your tek, I should correct it, the tek u showed us lol, I know u stated its not yours but if u had not linked the awesome info here I would not of known so +1 still for u bud, I will keep an eye on the flower which is now closed just as u said it would, may I ask how many days does the flower open and close? And how long does it take for the seeds to form? Sorry I am new 2 all this? Thanks again for all the help.
Regards, Da-1
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Thanks buddy!
Well it's different with every species. I know with lophophora they open and close like 3 days and nights. Then it usually takes like 2-4 weeks for a fruit to form afterwards.
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Hey NW
Thanks again for the info much appreciated, I hope the tek works and it develops some seeds and they germinate I shall send u some seeds, if not I still have the swobs to try pollinate the other flowers and try get seeds, so let's see wat happens, thanks for reading.
Regards, Da-1
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Awesome! I can't wait to see how it turns out for you bro. :D
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Hey Sunshine
Thanks cuz I hope it works also I will definitely send u some seeds aswell, send good vibes this way and watch this space lol, thanks for reading.
Regards, Da-1
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You will only get about 10 seeds per flower, so don't worry about sending me any. Thanks for the offer though. I would although be willing to take some pollen If you have extra. Next growing season hopefully my gymnos will flower and I could make a cross.
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Hey Sunshine
Thanks cuz I hope it works also I will definitely send u some seeds aswell, send good vibes this way and watch this space lol, thanks for reading.
Regards, Da-1
Thanks but no thanks bro. I appreciate the offer. :)
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Hey ev1
Nw I have a swob spare now but I am sure u will want fresh like u said next season, the offer still stands for u and Sunshine with regards 2 seeds, I would gladly send anything your guys way, I was wondering would BAP make this species pup? Just a thought, and 1 other thing should I leave these 2 cacti 2gether or should I separate them as the spikes are now piercing each other? I know not during flower season! Or winter! All advice is welcome, thanks for reading.
Regards, Da-1
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They'll be fine. I would leave them together to be honest. They're used to poking themselves when pupping and yours looks double headed which is kinda rare. Both of them are the same size so it started early. And yes, BAP works with all cacti. My flowering season is going to be different from yours. So if you sent it to me then mine would be flowering here in like 5 or 6 months i think. I'll PM you about it.
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Pollen will stay good for a long time. It won't lose 'viability' like a seed will.
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Hey Sunshine
Good 2 know and many thanks, when I pollinate the other flowers can I still save those flowers pollen? For crossing next season? As this flower got the cement tek and self pollinated.
Regards, Da-1
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Sure. I don't see why not. :)
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I did some research on gymnocalycium. I think they can actually produce quite a bit more than 10 seeds per fruit (not like lophophora) It could be something like 100 seeds. Let us know how many you get. If it's a good number of seeds I would gladly take a few off your hands.
Thanks.
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Oh snap! I thought he was growing a loph. O_o
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Hey guys
NW I like the sound of that many seeds or even half that per flower and even if there is only 10 I would still gladly send u guys :D Sun I wish I had a loph this big ;D but if this tek works I will try cross a loph williamsii when it gets big enough in a few years, thanks for reading and all help.
Regards, Da-1
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after the flower shrivels you should see fruit starting to poke out from the base of the flower within 20 days. It should take another 10 - 14 days for the fruit to be ready for harvest. watch out for ants, they steal the seeds. all of this is highly dependent on the temperature and light intensity. they tend to flower less often than lophophora but the fruit is bigger and contains more seed.
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Hey nanashi
Thanks for the awesome info, I will keep my eye on the flower and the fruit when it appears I will have to take pictures as I am not 100% sure wat I am looking for, and will it flower more then 1 time a season? thanks for reading.
Regards, Da-1
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Sometimes plants will flower several times in a season.
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They're more likely to do that in hot climates iirc.^^
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Hey guys
Thanks NW I hope it blooms more then once, and Sun I live in a warm climate I don't think its hot hot lol, so its the 3rd day my flower is opening, I am still amazed how beautiful it is, and hope this tek works so I can share this beauties seeds and grow more.
Regards, Da-1
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I have 4 different kinds of gymnocalycium. I will be making lots of crosses this flowering season.
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Hey NW
are there any pic`s in your grden post? I would like to see them, and u must let me know neext week if I can send the swob in your parcel so u can try cross with mine 8) and share some seeds ;D, thanks for reading.
Regards, Da-1
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Here are the pictures.
Gymnocalycium anisitsii 1st pic
Gymnocalycium Damsii v Rotundulum 2nd
Gymnocalycium Denudatum 3rd
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Hey NW
I only saw this reply now my bad :) bro those look so amaizing, plz let me know when I can send u the swob, I also have some bad news and need advice plz, the 3 flower buds on the other side have dried up and I have no clue why? they have not been moved around 2 much, lighting and temps have not changed to extrem? so the flower that did bloom did for 6 days and I think its closing for good 2day, the only thing I can think of as to why the buds dried up is, they are attached and now that the flower has been pollenated it is using its energy to produce seeds? plz if I am way off sorry just shooting in the dak here ;D so now I have 2 swobs free, 1 for NW and if some 1 else wants 1 plz let me know, thanks for reading and all advice and help is welcome.
Regards, Da-1
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that's part of the flowering process. They dry up when they're done blooming and then a fruit will follow behind it. Just don't pull off the dried flowers.
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Hey NW
No I mean there are 2 cacti in the same pot, 1 just bloomed the others were a month or 2 away from forming!! But now all 3 little flower buds have dried up? The flower that bloomed is still busy closing, the petals are closing into a nice ball, thanks again for the help and info but plz can u help me explain why the buds on the other cactus became aborts? Many thanks for all advice and help.
Regards, Da-1
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Oh, it may have stalled the flower. Sometimes they do that.
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Hey NW
Thanks for the reply, 1 or 2 would of been ok 2 loose but all 3 is hectic man, oh well win some lose some hey :) let's hope the tek works and I still get viable seeds 8)
Regards, Da-1
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Dude! One of my gymnos is flowering now too.
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Hey NW
That's gr8 man keep us updated with pic's, and how big are the buds? If they just forming then we still have about 30 days or so 2 get that swob 2u!! Let me know if I can pop it off in the postal 2morow?
Regards, Da-1
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I'll let you know tomorrow if you can send it out. They're just small buds, two of them.
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Hey NW
I will be sending your swobs on monday so u can try cross with my 1, and I am really stoked u will still be around and all is good your side, and make sure u make a post on your plants plz, I am always happy 2c your plants and logs, thanks for reading.
Regards, Da-1
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I will! Also, another one of my gymnos is flowering. So 2 gymnos and 1 loph is flowering right now.
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Hey NW
I can't wait 2c your gymnos in bloom and your loph aswell :) may I ask wat species? My flower has made a nice ball and I will post a pic 2morow, so I just leave it till the fruit drys in2 a prune? I am not sure, keep us updated and make more gr8 posts and beautiful pic's of your plants.
Regards, Da-1
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Hi ev1
Ok its been 11 days since I started an attempt @ using cement 2 pollinate my Gymnocalycium and now its almost a week since the flower closed, this evening as was closing the lounge window I noticed that the dried flower had fallen off, I am not sure if it made seeds in such a short time? If I touch the pod like fruit it feels dry, should I leave it in the window place 2 dry out another week? I am not sure wat 2do next I don't want 2 open it and its not ready? I can't wait 2 open it and see if there is seeds lol but will wait for conformation 4rm some 1, thanks for reading and all advice in advanced :) .
Regards, Da-1
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Leave it for another week just to be sure ?
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Hey PermieGing
Thanks for the reply, I was also thinking that, should I leave it by the window with light or in a shaded place? Thanks again for the help.
Regards, Da-1
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Hey ev1
Ok so we have come 2 the end of the test, I opened the fruit this morning and found it empty :( not even a half developed seed, I will be trying this tek out again in the future!! I was thinking I will try wood ash next time aswell, many thanks for reading.
Regards, Da-1
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Hey ev1
Ok so we have come 2 the end of the test, I opened the fruit this morning and found it empty :( not even a half developed seed, I will be trying this tek out again in the future!! I was thinking I will try wood ash next time aswell, many thanks for reading.
Regards, Da-1
How long did you let the fruit develop?
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Hey NW
The flower closed about 3 weeks ago and the flower/fruit feel off about 2 weeks ago, I still said I was shocked as u told me it takes about 2 weeks and it feel off in1, I then asked wat should I do open it or let it dry more, so I let it go just over a week by my computer and opened it this morning 2 find nothing :( I was sad but @lst it was a attempt!! I will try ash next time mixed with pollen, will update this post when I get around 2 trying that, thanks for all the help and reading.
Regards, Da-1
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Maybe just try pollen by itself. I'm not sure if gymnocalycium are self fertile, but I know lophs are. I never have to do anything special to polinate them. I just put the polen on the stigma and voila... a fruit will form.
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Slightly off topic but,
Would seeds from a lophophora cacti which were created as a result of self-pollination essentially be clones since all the genetic material is from the mother plant?
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I believe so. I think there is a little bit more genetic variation than there would be when just taking a pup off though, but I'm not really completely sure on that. I'm growing some self polinated seeds right now and they all germinated. They seem pretty stable and I'll keep an eye on them to see if there's any variation in the seeds.
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The only way I could see it having more genetic variation is if there was a mutation. Do you think that a mutation would be more likely as a result of self pollination as opposed to a pup?
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I think that you would have the same chance of a mutation with cross polinated seeds and self fertilized seeds. But i dont really know enough about this to give you a good answer.
I know that sometimes a pup will show mutation even if the main stock isn't mutated and monstrose traits can show up in a plant long after it started growing. It seems pretty random.
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It would be best imho to cross with another plant of a different variety to increase its diversity. Though if a plant shows great traits as is, I don't see a reason not to have it self pollinate. Anyways, sorry for being off topic. Commence self-pollination talk. :)
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It appears that it did not fruit at all or the fruit is taking some time to appear. Gymno seeds dont come from inside the flower. The seeds would have been inside a brightly colored soft bodied ¨berry¨ that grows from underneath the flower.
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Ooooooooohh. You thought the flower was the fruit?
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Hey ev1
Sorry been really busy this side, all that happened was the flower dried up and fell off, there is a white round indent where the flower once was, and yes I thought he seeds came from the flower :o lol nothing has grown out in the flowers place, I will take a picture later to show you`s but it will be with my phone the camera I was using is not here but I should get it this weekend so maybe I will wait till then ;D many thanks for informing me that it should have a fruit for the seeds and mine did not make 1 so I guess no seeds for now, thanks for reading and all the advice.
Regards, Da-1
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It can take up to a month for the fruit to start forming after the flower dries up. It will be big and bright colored and fleshy. I'm guessing that the fruit is still getting ready to come. I've had a fruit show up 2 months after the flower dried up before.