Share The Seeds
Gardening Area => Seeds and Germination => Topic started by: Lukas123 on August 16, 2013, 12:14:13 PM
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HI all,
Some time ago a seed supplier i have bought seeds from told me that he had an Iboga plant/bush that soon are having ripe seedpods and that seeds are for sale.
I have had extremely good quality seeds from this vendor and even though he is expensive i was quite excited as i always have wanted to try grow Iboga.
I ordered a pack of Iboga seeds and it did cost me 50$.
The seeds came delivered in a plastic zip-lock baggie full of moist sphagnum moss.
I put the baggie in a location where it didn't receive direct sunlight.
After about 4 days i had read some information about germinating Iboga seeds and although the teks varied a lot i decided to plant the seeds in small pots with seed starter soil.
So i cut open the baggie and started to plant the seeds about 0.5 to 1 cm down the soil.
When i got the 17th seed i noticed it had already germinated in the moist sphagnum moss.
I plated this seed also down the soil but now i got unsure and went to see what the seller had given me for advice on germinating these seeds.
The seller gave the advice to leave the seeds in the plastic baggie with the moist sphagnum moss until they germinated.
I was only to poke some holes in the bag for fresh air and to make sure the sphagnum moss was moist but not wet.
I decided to leave the remaining 4 to 5 seeds in the baggie.
So now im waiting for the seeds in the baggie to germinate and for the seeds in the pots to come up from the soil.
The Iboga seeds did look very fresh and im sure they are the best quality one can get.
The seller picks the seeds when its time to deliver so they are always very fresh.
Ask if there is something you want to know.
I can update with more pics as this experiment goes on but for now i have these pics:
Lukas
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Can you pm or post the sellers info?
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Well, its nothing i keep a secret but is it allowed to post seller links and info here?
Most forums only allows one to post sponsor links.
Lukas123
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Yeah, you can post your supplier.
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Well, its nothing i keep a secret but is it allowed to post seller links and info here?
Most forums only allows one to post sponsor links.
It is allowed to post seller links, preferably in the Seed and Plant Suppliers (http://sharetheseeds.me/forum/index.php?board=12.0) section. Only condition would be that the seller is a publicly available, legal business, with a proper web page/store front. So I moved your last post with the seller information to the suppliers section, feel free to edit any information in the new main post here (http://sharetheseeds.me/forum/index.php?topic=490.0) if you deem it necessary.
Thank you for sharing,
Mandrake
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It is all good.
Now the sellers info is in the right place.
Tnx.
Lukas123
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We have a research centre in South Africa that uses iboga and he states that its extremely hard to grow outside of its environment.
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Luckily "hard" and impossible are not synonymous. If the seeds arrive without being confiscated, I'm going to give it my best efforts. :)
S.L.
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Luckily "hard" and impossible are not synonymous. If the seeds arrive without being confiscated, I'm going to give it my best efforts. :)
S.L.
What i mean is they will get to seedling stage and die :P
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It really just depends on being able to recreate the natural environment, it is not too hard f you have the time and money. I have several that are well past seedlings. ;)
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Then you and I may have to have a bit more of a detailed discussion in the future! :)
S.L.
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Any seeds outside the shell yet bro? I must say it isn't as hard as it would seem to remove the seed shell. I used a blade from a exacto knife. Good luck!
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Oh my, you got it past dropping the seedshell?
I made a mistake putting the seed into soil before they germinated.
So i took them out when i saw the one that had sprouted had died.
Too damp and moist soil i guess.
So i put them back in the moist sphagnum moss in the zip baggie.
Some germinated and i then made a special soil-mix with large sand /gravel that i cleaned well, 2-4mm in size, and some citrus soil.
I used 80% gravel/large sand and 20% soil if i remember correctly.
I put the germinated seeds about 1cm down and this time things are looking very much better.
I have 2 sprouts coming up but still with the seed-shell as helmet and one more on the way.
I do hope more germinates but if not i will order more seeds.
The seed-shell is quite hard and i will try help the seedlings get rid of it with a small electrical cutter and scalpel.
But i will only do a mini cut each day and let the seedling do the work.
The seeds are indeed viable and of very nice quality, i regret doing that first mistake of putting them into soil before germinating.
I try to take some pics in a few days.
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Yes sir six out of the seed shell as of now. I'm sure you'll be fine just do what feels right. Definitely dab the shell with water at least once daily if not more. They are much tougher for sure when drying out. Gook luck!
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Hi lukas123,
How long did you leave the seeds in the baggie with the moss?
The seeds arrived two days ago and one had a tiny tap root showing. How long should I leave the others in the baggie?
How long should the tap root be before transplanting to the sand/soil mix?
Also, some of the seeds arrived with a small areas of what appears to be white mold (mildew). Has anyone had that from dbotany? Is there anything I should do to resolve that?
For germination, what temperature should I aim for? I have the thermostat set to 80F (27C) and nearly 100% humidity.
Any and all help would be greatly appreciated,
HCC
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This is a post from a reliable source on NXS.
Iboga doesn't need intensive lighting. Early growth shouldn't need much/any fertilization, however, older plants can apparently be rather hungry. I've heard at least 5 years for it to reach a size for any sort of harvesting...and depending on your growing circumstances, I could imagine it taking longer. You want a fast draining soil...people have had success with coir/perlite and cactus soil mixes. My understanding is that it is possible to harvest the root sustainably, but I don’t know anything about best practices/methodologies for that.
Propagation notes as found on eboka and elsewhere:
Light & temperature requirements
Tabernanthe iboga is at home in the rainforests of West Africa. Temperatures here are always above 20deg C and frequently above 40 deg C. In fcat, iboga stops growing at about 15 deg C and looses it's leaves at about 10 deg C. The tips start dying back if exposed to 5 deg C. Repeated exposure to 4 deg C will cause severe dieback from which the plant may not recover. A sinlge frost or a couple of nights at 1 or 2 deg C will certainly kill most plants.
The rainforest provides a very moist and humid environment. Iboga plant will adapt to dry air, but will shed their leavs first. The new leaves will be smaller and tougher, but will withstand very dry conditions as long as the plant is watered frequently. Hardened iboga plants can be grown under HPS or other artificial lights. Being rainforest plants they prefer light at levels of less than 70%. Iboga ideally likes about 50% until it is a couple of years old and can then tolerate more. having such low minimum light requirements means that this species can easily be grown along the perimeter of artificial light rigs, where other plants will not be happy. It is also well suited as an indoor pot plant, but should be kept away from windowsills during winter.
Soil, water and nutrient requirements
Rainforests produce water by causing condensation of moist air in the lower strata of the forest. This keeps the rainforest floor damp at all times. The constant flushing of condensed water means that nutrients are constantly washed away. Most rainforest plants are well adapted to efficiently capture these nutrients in the upper layers of the forest litter and soil. When cultivating plant we should try to emulate this soil by using a light mix of leafmould or composted bark shreddings. Rainforest soils have perfect drainage and this can be a problem in commercial potting mixes. To avoid waterlogging it is wise to add at least 1/3rd coarse sand to the mix. Iboga quickly gets rootbound and needs plenty of space. The efficient rootsystem is also very vigorous and needs rooms to spread. Iboga is a heavy feeder and responds quickly to fertilising. Soluble fertilisers are a waste here due to high water requirement. Composted manures are perfect.
Natural propagation and germinating seed
There was a fair bit of seed available until the end of 1999. Most of this was supplied to retailers by Dan Lieberman (South Africa) who tragically died in a car accident mid 2000. Most seed sold around the world since then has been from old stock. Shaman Australis has now sourced a new supplier and is making seed available on a seasonal basis. Iboga seed is VERY perishable. In poor storage conditions it can loose it's viability within a few weeks. If kept at optimum conditions it will last about 4 months.
To store seed properly it needs to be stored in a moist environment at about 10 degC. This prevents the seedcoat from drying out. Very fresh and moist iboga seed germinates easily and without problems. As soon as the coat dries somewhat the seedling will struggle to emerge from the seedcoat and may rot. The seedling can be assisted by keeping the seedcoat very moist and soft, or by using a scalpel to carefully remove sections of seedcoat on a day by day basis. A piece of wet cotton or fabric can be used to keep the seedcoat moist by draping it over the emerging seedling. A high humidity environment (humidity dome or tropical hothouse) is essential. If using a scalpel to help the seed it is important never to injure the cotyledons that are folded into the tiny folds of the seedcoat.
Accessing 1mm per day is all that is needed and prevents excessive damage. As you ease the constriction with the scalpel, the seedling will slowly push itself out a little further, thus revealing the next safe place to cut another 1mm. trying to remove the whole seedcoat at once is almost guaranteed to fail. You should aim to remove the seedcoat within about a week of the seedling emerging from the growing medium, as any longer may weaken the seedling beyond recovery. Under normal circumstances the seedling will shed the seedcoat within 2 days and this is the minimum it should be allowed to try without interference.
To germinate the seed you will need to prepare a tray, pot or punnet with coarse sharp sand (please look up the exact preparation, as most other media and plain sand are entirely unsuitable). The punnet, pot or tray has to be perfectly free draining, which can be achieved by placing plastic shadecloth in the bottom to prevent the sand from escaping.
The sand has to be at least 5cm deep. Place the seed in the coarse sharp sand about 10mm deep and water well. Never let the sand dry out, as if the seedling is about to emerge at this time it will dry up and die. Also, if the medium dries, the seedcoat may dry and prolong germination. Keep seed at a minimum 25 deg C air temp. However, to achieve good germination the air temp should be about 30-35 deg C. Lowering the temperature will delay germination and increase likelyhood of fungal attack. Germination may occur within a few days, but may take up to several months, so be prepared to keep looking after the seeds throughout their full germination phase.
Never expose seedlings to dry air until they have at least 3 sets of leaves. This is also the best age to transplant the first time. Their first new growing medium should be mostly sand (90% coarse sand + 10% good potting mix) and should not contain ANY manure or other strong fertiliser. Osmocote is a good option here, but should be applied at minimal rate. Once the plants get to 5 pairs of leaves they are ready for strong growth and normal fertilising and should be potted into a mix as described in the section above.
Striking cuttings
Iboga cuttings are fairly easy to root. Take a stem section with two nodes. Remove the leaves from the lower node and cut off 2/3rds of each remaining leaf. Now insert the lower end into a tray or pot of coarse sharp sand. Rooting hormone makes no difference in this process. Put the pot or tray in a hothouse or humidity dome and keep moist, humid and very warm. Callus forms after about 10 days and roots emerge after another few days. Pot into a sandy potting mix after 4-6 weeks or when the plant has grown by another node.
Plastic-Bottle-Hothouse
A cheap and easy hothouse can be made from a softdrink bottle. This is possibly the most perfect way to establish your cuttings. The bottle used should be at least 500ml. If it is larger than 1l, then the air might be a little too dry for the cutting, but it will still work. Choose a pot with a diameter a little larger than the diameter of your bottle. Fill the pot with coarse sharp sand, and place the single node cutting at least 3 cm into the medium (note: plant shown here is NOT iboga - this method can be applied to may different plants. Growing medium shown is not sand.). Cut the bottom off the CLEAN plastic bottle and push it about 2-3 cm into the medium. The plastic cap can be used to adjust the humidity and temperature inside this min-hothouse. It is advisable to never close the vent completely, but for the first couple of weeks it is best to cover the hole partially to increase humidity. Place only one cutting per unit to avoid overcrowding. Watering can be done throught hole, or the bottle removed for maintainance.
Looking after potted plants
Most collectors will start their plants in pots as these can be placed into appropriate conditions without disturbing the roots. Iboga likes a lot of nutrients and will need plenty of root space. Make sure that the soil never dries out as rainforest plants have no protection from excessive transpiration. Plants can also be hardened off to survive in non-humid conditions. To do this without stressing the plant too much, remove all the leaves from the well established plant, leaving only the tiny growing tips. Now place this plant into a dry but shady spot and always water it well. As the new leaves grow they will be much harder and smaller. Fertilise only when it is hot enough for the plant to actively grow. Composted manures are preferable to liquid fertilisers, but both will achieve results. Regular repotting into larger pots allow the addition of manure to the new potting mix.
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Good info bro, thanks for posting! +1
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Impressive how much iboga's conditions resembles mimosa's, I believe I won't have any trouble growing it.
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No doubt you can. So far I haven't had any problems. Just make sure the seedlings are kept under warm (86 - 88F is ideal) and humid conditions.
S.L.
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It isn't that hard you guys got it I'm sure!
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Any leads on where to find coarse sharp sand in the USA?
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Any leads on where to find coarse sharp sand in the USA?
Concrete/Construction stores is where I get specific grade coarse sand.
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I use "step 2 paver sand" found at home depot. They also have fine washed pool filter sand in my area. Likely they may have it where you live too.
However man IMHO the sand thing in that above info might not be that great an idea. Definitely doesn't have to be that free draining. I used straight up organic seed starter mix for some and a mix of the seed starter and potting soil and extra perlite for the rest. Great results so far. I also sprouted the seeds first in only moist sphagnum moss in a plastic container at room temp which is upper 70s f. Once the root came out far enough that a stock was showing and the root begging to branch I then potted them in said mixes and put a fold top baggie on for humidity. Dabbed the seed shell daily with h2o2 and water mixed 1:4 approximately. After they establish themselves for a few days and stand up start your cutting work.
Probably overall it would be wise to try many methods for your best chance of success. If you want check out my thread on iboga in the user gardens section. Not trying to steal any thunder from this thread just trying to help the best I can. Peace
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That bit about the necessity of coarse sharp sand is bullshit. Use Sphagnum moss. Nothing to chase down, cheap, and it works.
Here's your proof:
S.L.
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Hope you don't think that's an iboga...looks like a erythroxylum seed to me. Either way good job!
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Sorry to bring the bad news...I hope you just took a pic of a seed coming from moss. If not looks like I'm guess dbotany messed up.
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Sorry to bring the bad news...I hope you just took a pic of a seed coming from moss. If not looks like I'm guess dbotany messed up.
I was planning to place an order with them, MadPlanter, how is your seeds look like? doesnt it look similar to you?
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LOL,
I wish I had read the replies a few hours ago. Just got done running 70lb of sand through a sieve....by hand!
LOL
Thank you everyone :D
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LOL,
I wish I had read the replies a few hours ago. Just got done running 70lb of sand through a sieve....by hand!
LOL
Thank you everyone :D
Have you placed an order with Dbotany?
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LOL,
I wish I had read the replies a few hours ago. Just got done running 70lb of sand through a sieve....by hand!
LOL
Thank you everyone :D
Have you placed an order with Dbotany?
Yes, have had the seeds for 2 days so getting a medium together is priority :-)
Also, I read an easy way to get coarse sharp sand is from a pool store. Apparently its used in pool filters? No pools where I reside currently though.
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I got my seeds from dbotany. I actually got both iboga and E. novogranatense. That seed is not an iboga sadly. It is surely a E. novo if dbotany is where that came from. The iboga seed is way different. Like a little brain with wrinkles all over like lines of a finger print. I'll try and post a good pic of one tomorrow.
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Can you post (or PM me with) a close-up, well focused picture of the seeds you received??
I can't imagine dBotany fouled up, but anything is possible...If so, I'm VERY disappointed.
S.L.
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OK...so I checked for images on-line, and MadPlanter is correct! The seeds are Erythroxylum novogranatense. But there is an incredibly happy ending to the story. I e-mailed dBotany and he's sending me the correct seeds on Monday!!! It took him less than 5 minutes to respond to my e-mail.
I say give this guy all our business if you are interested in either one or both of these plants.
Now I have to shift gears and learn everything I can about properly caring for Erythroxylum novogranatense. I guess I'm going to have to re-title my "Iboga" thread. :-[
S.L.
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Hell ya two birds with one stone. Gotta love that!
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perhaps they are running out the Iboga seeds, and trying to fool people with this technique, >:( , wtf!
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perhaps they are running out the Iboga seeds, and trying to fool people with this technique, >:( , wtf!
Doudt it since he is sending him more seeds and it is fairly easy to distinguish the difference between the two. It was probably just an honest mistake and it sounds like the guys making good on it by sending him the right seeds.
I'd look at it like getting free seeds now. Instead of just getting to start one interesting species now he gets to start two, both of which aren't too common.
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I'd look at it like getting free seeds now. Instead of just getting to start one interesting species now he gets to start two, both of which aren't too common.
Yeah and both of the species are very interesting plants and he was very lucky to get it as 'free'. ::)
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Novos are pretty easy to care for. Just make sure to let the soil dry out between waterings and you'll be fine. Hell, a friend of a friend actually let one get to the point of wilting and then watered it. It sprung back to life in only an hour!
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Been reading up on it on the dBotany web-site. I'm actually kind of excited now about adding novo's to my stable of entheogenic plants. I really need to dial it back or at least level-off my grows. Fall has been unusually cold and they are predicting a bad winter. (Yeah, like they EVER get that right).
Going to go out today and score some larger terracotta pots. Since these plants are eventually (I hope!) going to move out of my grow room and into my home, I'm actually toying with the idea of obtaining some acrylic paint and doing something special to decorate and honor the plants.
S.L.
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Hi all,
I have one that sprouted much earlier than the others. But its been up with the seed coat for about 3 days.
I've been doing small cuts into the seed shell but I'm terribly afraid of damaging it. It looks like it actually need more time inside the shell as it seems to be fairly white without green.
Thoughts? Recommendations?
Thank you!
Hcc
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Keep it wet and let it work its way out.
You can place a small piece of wet paper towel/toilet paper over the seed to keep it moist without needing to spray the entire seedling/soil and oversaturate it.
The seedling from which I removed the seedcoat when the cotyledons were still white had the smallest leaves of all of my seedlings. In my experience, the seedlings that I allowed to battle their way out of the seedcoat were initially larger, more robust, and heartier than the seeds where I physically removed the seedcoats.
In fact, when a number of my 16-month old seedlings died of mysterious causes, the only one that survived was the last one to emerge; the one that I left virtually untouched except for covering with moistened tp.
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Hi Liana,
I followed the advice of just leaving it alone and it worked!
Here's exactly what I did:
Left in Sphagnum moss baggie until taproot was about 0.5cm long.
Planted about 1cm deep in soil mix 20% potting soil, 80% coarse sand.
Waited about a week for seed to emerge from soil.
Day 1: (starting from the seed emerging from the soil) 2 lateral cuts down the length of the seed coat. Very shallow cuts as not to damage the inside.
Day 2: removed a small amount of the seed coat near where the tap root emerged.
Day 3: attempted to remove more of the seed coat near the tap root. I was afraid of damaging the seedling, so I stopped the cut and put up the post above asking for advice.
Day 4: Mist seed with water, once in A.M. once in P.M.
Day 5,6,7,8: same as day 4
Day 9: I was worried the seedling was going to perish if it was in the coating any longer. I went to make a small cut and as soon as I touched the razor to the coat, it was loose enough that it just fell off. :)
Hcc
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Nice man! Is that only one outta the shell so far? Glad to see others getting success with such an awesome plant. Good grow vibes!
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Yeah, only one out of the shell so far. Another one popped up but it will be a while before its out of the shell.
The other seeds I've sent off to various people and about 3 had turned to mush in the Sphagnum moss.
I'll probably try again soon.