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Is the days of our niche activities numbered?
« on: August 16, 2018, 03:48:57 PM »

Wanted to ask the question on the forum to get an understanding of what others feel our future beholds. We as a very interesting niche of people may or may not over a long term be able to semi openly discuss our love affair with these special species. It seems to be that the right to openly express ourselves via the first amendment right especially in the USA is being systematically squashed as time rolls along. There seems to be a push from the powers that be to quell and destroy info on subjects that  offend them and challenge the "official" answer. Info such as plant medicines that challenge big pharma etc. Across all the major once truly public platforms such as YouTube, Facebook, Google, etc that still try and claim freedom to express oneself they are systematically interfering or outright banning people from doing so under disguise of "fake news" as well as other titles etc. Yes this borders on conspiracy but it's becoming so blatantly obvious can it be considered conspiracy anymore?

Examples:

Videos via YouTube on cannabis and cbd have and or are literally being removed permanently. We as the people we are are highly aware this plant in particular is truly highly medicinal and can be used as such. It is in my view a crime against humanity to hide that real and scientifically proven info from others to support continued prohibition of the plant and protect the toxic shit produced by big pharma.

Another novel example:

I do not in any way support the two party system the USA currently follows. Want to make it clear I'm not a supporter of either side necessarily or the system that exists abroad in general. Now when it comes to people supporting long standing American ideals and patriotic feelings of pride for American ways they are being highly unsupported by platforms like Facebook etc and a lot of which has been physically banned as "hate speech" as asinine as it sounds. Support for President Trump is highly discouraged blatantly in certain cases. Let me ask if something fishy wasn't in motion how in the country a man was elected to lead supposedly fair and justfully can you not show support for that man without the supposed freedom promoting platform stepping in to quell your opinion in the physical country that same man leads??? Sounds illogical doesn't it? Not saying you have to support him but if you want to. Both ideals should be equally protected in a free society. Has our governments been bought out by some kind of hidden agenda being amassed by a group of sick minded people whom care nothing of us regular people's and our wellfare in the name of control, power, and the mighty dollar? Seems to be approaching a logically undeniable level if you are observing the change in the atmosphere of everyday societal interaction closely coupled with some ability to think for oneself.

Any thoughts welcomed! This doesn't have to be ugly in any way or get on the crazy side of things. It can be an intellectual conversation between contributing adults of sound reasonable free thinking minds. Keep it civil and respectful. We have all an individually important opinion and they may not agree always as any free society should have to be healthy and dignified with free thought conversation amongst grown intellectual adults. In other words no derogatory, disdainful, or hurtful arguing. Only intellectual open minded adult contribution civilly.

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Re: Is the days of our niche activities numbered?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2018, 04:38:57 PM »

The OP may be centered around the situation in the USA but the way I understand this opener is that everyones view is appreciated. Furthermore I believe any discussion does rely on diversity of arguments and their backgrounds.

Wanted to ask the question on the forum to get an understanding of what others feel our future beholds. We as a very interesting niche of people may or may not over a long term be able to semi openly discuss our love affair with these special species. It seems to be that the right to openly express ourselves via the first amendment right especially in the USA is being systematically squashed as time rolls along. There seems to be a push from the powers that be to quell and destroy info on subjects that  offend them and challenge the "official" answer. Info such as plant medicines that challenge big pharma etc. Across all the major once truly public platforms such as YouTube, Facebook, Google, etc that still try and claim freedom to express oneself they are systematically interfering or outright banning people from doing so under disguise of "fake news" as well as other titles etc. Yes this borders on conspiracy but it's becoming so blatantly obvious can it be considered conspiracy anymore?

I have put this issue in the past like this: "The spirit of the constitution(s) is dead". What I mean by this is that I am witnessing a shift in how consitutions are seen and treated by the officials and people alike. In the past especially in the process of law making people would ask, when considering the constitutionality of a proposal, "what did the creators of the constitution WANT, what does the constitution mean to achieve ?". In recent times it seems they have gotten more nitpicky. Instead of making the mentioned consideration they seem to busy themselves exclusively with the wording and how to circumvent it. That is why the spirit of constitution(s) is dead, the whole idea is brought to absurdity when we stop interpreting the idea behind the constitution.

In my country it becomes more and more apparent lately, that neither state nor officials seem to feel bound by any law or constitution and break the law at will, after all there hardly is anyone to judge them. Meanwhile the average Joe faces incresingly unrelateable restrictions and sentencing, often absent clear legal grounds, based on wild interpretation and thinking forth law beyond its clear boundaries. This is a symptom of the above, the indifference towards what law was meant to do when it was passed.

Examples:

Videos via YouTube on cannabis and cbd have and or are literally being removed permanently. We as the people we are are highly aware this plant in particular is truly highly medicinal and can be used as such. It is in my view a crime against humanity to hide that real and scientifically proven info from others to support continued prohibition of the plant and protect the toxic shit produced by big pharma.

Another novel example:

I do not in any way support the two party system the USA currently follows. Want to make it clear I'm not a supporter of either side necessarily or the system that exists abroad in general. Now when it comes to people supporting long standing American ideals and patriotic feelings of pride for American ways they are being highly unsupported by platforms like Facebook etc and a lot of which has been physically banned as "hate speech" as asinine as it sounds. Support for President Trump is highly discouraged blatantly in certain cases. Let me ask if something fishy wasn't in motion how in the country a man was elected to lead supposedly fair and justfully can you not show support for that man without the supposed freedom promoting platform stepping in to quell your opinion in the physical country that same man leads??? Sounds illogical doesn't it? Not saying you have to support him but if you want to. Both ideals should be equally protected in a free society. Has our governments been bought out by some kind of hidden agenda being amassed by a group of sick minded people whom care nothing of us regular people's and our wellfare in the name of control, power, and the mighty dollar? Seems to be approaching a logically undeniable level if you are observing the change in the atmosphere of everyday societal interaction closely coupled with some ability to think for oneself.

I do believe that a private business, platform or corporation is not and can not be responsible to grant constitutional rights to the people. The constitutions in my understanding only bind the state and its officials, all they can do is relay it by passing a law that requires private parties not to infringe those rights, as long as the law is constitutional. The question remains, wether those recent changes are 'imposed' from above or self-imposed by the mentioned private parties. Given cases where there was a lot of negative publicity for private services that did not see content removed ASAP or were otherwise reluctant to even bother it seems to me the censorship we wittness is in fact a reaction to official demands, demands that in many cases will not stand a constitutional challenge.

I am not voicing support for any politician. But I do see stupidity when they broadcast it. If you want to see perfect examples of failed diplomacy, tune into a european news broadcast at the time. The reporting is not done on political matters but rather focuses on embarrassing and insulting the elected representatives of other countries, mostly countries that have a different political agenda. After listening to the news you hardly have any clue about what the, USA or Russia is doing on a political level, but you can be assured to have all information you could ever want on the most recent fauxpas of their presidents, all brought to you with sarcastic undertone aimed at presenting those people in ridicolous ways. A move that never is diplomatically smart. Much more there is constant pointing of fingers, often about things that the EU for example has been doing long before.
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Is the days of our niche activities numbered?

No. Not if we don't let it happen. But the threat is real, from both sides, Orwell was right, Huxley too. Our minds have become obese, like eating from a bucket of KFCs chicken bites that has no bottom we endlessly scroll through pointless information and stimuly we find online, maneuvering our very selves into the abyss where we will face depression and anger. At the same time we can not move unseen, can not speak unheard or even think without profiling and big data predicting our thoughts with uncanny accuracy. After which our thoughts will be labeled in the name of security.
We are easy to deal with, as long as we are unhealthy, tired, numb and filled with resignation. I don't believe that a society can come to a state like this, only pushed by external factors, it must have been rotten from within before or accepting what is going on. I refuse to believe that the lone master of puppets pulls our strings and we are forced to dance or lay still, we just find it the most convenient thing to do.
That is what is happening in my view of things: Commercialized convenience always outweighing threat. Add more convenience to any discomfort and people will accept it, the discomfort just leads to inner dilemma that ignored.

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Re: Is the days of our niche activities numbered?
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2018, 07:40:53 PM »

I dont think you understand what freedom of expression means.
The examples you give are proof that freedom of expression is being respected.
Google, yahoo, youtube, paypal, facebook- these are all companies owned by someone. They are not public parks or government owned organizations. Privately owned companies have the right to control what people use them for. As a private company youtube has the right not to allow users to post pro-cannabis videos and paypal has the right to block payments based on their religious beliefs.
There is an up side to this: This site is not owned by fanatical bigots who hate us so we can speak about plants here :D
The nexus is astonishlingly open about activities that are illegal in nearly every country, if we had lost freedom of expression it would be among the first to be shut down.

Discussion and availability of medicinal herbs is vastly, vastly improved over what it was in the early 90's. Pharmaceutical giants may try to convince us they are ineffective, but thats their right. Other people try to convince us they are effective.
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Re: Is the days of our niche activities numbered?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2018, 10:23:12 PM »

Thanks BC for the input! Your always very enlightening to hear and have good points of view.

Thank you too Auxin! You are correct and I am very aware they are not public truthfully. They do have the right to restrict on their platforms. However the doors of these platforms have been largely open to the public for awhile as if it were public or so the atmosphere at those places have felt. Opinions expressed through these platforms when it comes to the examples given(though technically in the rights of them to restrict) and beyond have always until very recently been allowed. Only exception was truly vulgur, hate mongering, and otherwise actually harmful subjects were ever removed. Doesn't it seem very odd all at once in a very short period of time some rather accepted for very long time subjects are literally being purged across the whole board of these platforms? Many of which are so highly used they literally are almost the "gate keepers" of most online endeavors. The second example given above: seriously aren't allowed to support the President elect in his own country even? That's damn near as scary as it can get and I don't really even support the man necessarily! Think about that for a good while. Gotta be some backhanded deep state kinda shit happening perhaps or how could we devolve to something of such asinine proportions???

I love what you said about places like here and the Nexus and you are very much correct. However when Google deplatforms anything coming from there to be able to be searched when someone types in the browser say "DMT" we've got a problem. Those in the know about these places are all good since we know what they are and that they exist. What happens when the new up and comers that aren't in the know and know no one to direct them here or there...how do they find out about such places? We are being snuffed at that rate. I know you feel like these places will always exist regardless but how so? Once enough rights have been taken this could all disappear almost instantly without warning and also don't forget we'll all be enemies of the state...for our once freedom to express online anywhere public or private. It's probably coming bro sad to say and fast at that.

I do know what freedom to express is and being told what to say or what I can't say isn't lending to it is it anywhere it may be public or private. Are they supporting freedom by doing that even if that's their right? That's proof they have that right but that we don't(yes it's their platform I know, I know however it's a very moot point). Is a government agency helping to allow us the ability to speak freely on their platforms...not in the least and in fact the opposite. I think that deep state efforts are actually pushing them to do what's occurring or I don't think it logically would be as it restricts and limits their overall content that they should be striving for really. Content is what drives such places and outright denying X amount of content such as my second example is counterintuitive to a growing platform especially when it's only non hurtful opinion all things considered. Come on man its bigger than that and i know you know better. Ive observed many keen things youve posted in the past you are intelligent. Big bro is watching don't think they aren't.

Edited to add one thing here. Most of what BC said in his last paragraph of points is a semi similar idea of what I'm intending to put out there. However I don't think the lone master of puppets is really the case either(I know what you mean by that and I'm about to contradict myself in the following statement purposefully). It's not IMO a necessarily small group but at least a fair sized group of highly deep pocketed and thus influential group(s) of proples all over the globe tactfully guiding the "narrative" that's believed within society. Slowly and over an extended period of time warping the mindset of society to self induce their own giving up of rights sometimes even under the disguise of supporting a specific right in another area of society. Radically influencing the subsequent generations to under witch hunt like proportions to seek to overthrow undesirable traits of belief in society of previous beliefs once thought of as good for the whole quite literally. Hence the younger generation so as at least the media plays it is throwing American society toward socialist ideals under guise of more freedom? Don't quite work like that. Hand Uncle Sam that power and something reminiscent of the NWO would likely happen. Goodbye guns is hardly the worst of it, would be goodbye to you saying anything at all period they don't like unless you want a knock at your door like the Gestapo.

Let's keep this going y'all! Everyone and everything is welcome to join in and use that expression while it's still acceptable... Lol.
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Re: Is the days of our niche activities numbered?
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2018, 02:02:29 AM »

...However when Google deplatforms anything coming from there to be able to be searched when someone types in the browser say "DMT" we've got a problem. Those in the know about these places are all good since we know what they are and that they exist. What happens when the new up and comers that aren't in the know and know no one to direct them here or there...how do they find out about such places?...
Your right that a disproportionately large portion of the internet is controlled by bigots under the protection of private ownership. Some of them, like paypal, have teams of lawyers whos job is to enforce as much bigotry as is allowed by law (paypal has been sued repeatedly so theyre a convenient example). These rich bigots think they can exploit their wealth to censor the internet and somehow force their notion of morality on people. What these parochial fools dont see is that people always fight back against censorship. There is always a lag time, as you pointed out, but the more people are censored the more they devise ways to circumvent censorship and the more large numbers of people learn about these systems. There are already highly encrypted communities on the net where censorship is literally impossible. Places even more free than TOR where freedom of speech is allowed to a degree that would even make most of us uneasy. They were created as a direct result of people being excessively censored.
Censorship is just like the drug war. The people in charge may have began with what they thought were good intentions but the predictable backlash made a controllable situation into anarchy. Why do billionaires lack the common sense to see these patterns? :D
If they keep pushing the censorship on the internet a whole generation of teenagers will grow up in a darknet with no laws, and billionaires still wont realize its their fault.
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Re: Is the days of our niche activities numbered?
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2018, 03:18:06 AM »

I like that a lot Auxin very well put. It does give one hope that the powers that be will never gain total control. Let's hope people are diligent enough within a given time frame to stand up and do something. Too many just going with the flow or so it seems these days which can flow you right into the uptake of some giant factory's water cooling system if you ain't diligent...

Let's say for a minute the "dark side" wins...a full blown Orwellian 1984 or Brave New World scenario. Do you think there could be a place like this or the Nexus in a Big Bro controlled world? Let alone freedom of speech on other topics. It's already almost freedom of speech deficient in this country since the ideas of "politically correct" really hit home. No reason anyone should be racist but a racist should be able to express his/her opinion on why he/she is racist in a free society so long as they don't actually commit any physical hate crimes. For the record this is an example I'm in no way a racist. I'm a peace and love tree hugger type. It's one of those Voltaire like things: "I disagree with what you said but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
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Re: Is the days of our niche activities numbered?
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2018, 01:10:47 PM »

Since the topic of the darknet has been brought up I'd like to pose a question or two about that.

I've heard of this thing numerous times. However never dabbled or tried to figure out how to access the darknet. How does one access and navigate such places? Can you still find the silkroad or anarchist cookbook etc there? How and where does one download the darknet browser "onion"? Like I've said I've heard of such things numerous times but nobody had ever explained how this stuff is accessed or used. Almost makes me think it isn't real and it's all hype. I believe those whom have talked about it but then that's second hand info as well as these same people talking about it I don't believe ever accessed it either way. Doesn't lend to the idea that such things truthfully exist. Guess they probably do but it takes being in the know somehow I don't know how to figure out. Kinda weird to think about. The seeable internet through the "gate keepers" gives one the impression that's all of the Internet. Other than I know the government and military have their own access cut off from us as well somehow but that makes more sense.
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Re: Is the days of our niche activities numbered?
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2018, 04:40:54 PM »

Since the topic of the darknet has been brought up I'd like to pose a question or two about that.

I've heard of this thing numerous times. However never dabbled or tried to figure out how to access the darknet. How does one access and navigate such places? Can you still find the silkroad or anarchist cookbook etc there? How and where does one download the darknet browser "onion"? Like I've said I've heard of such things numerous times but nobody had ever explained how this stuff is accessed or used. Almost makes me think it isn't real and it's all hype. I believe those whom have talked about it but then that's second hand info as well as these same people talking about it I don't believe ever accessed it either way. Doesn't lend to the idea that such things truthfully exist. Guess they probably do but it takes being in the know somehow I don't know how to figure out. Kinda weird to think about. The seeable internet through the "gate keepers" gives one the impression that's all of the Internet. Other than I know the government and military have their own access cut off from us as well somehow but that makes more sense.
It's a lot easier than it might seem, and it's definitely not just hype lol.
Silkroad was taken down long ago but like the mythological Hydra many other similar sites have taken its place since. The anarchist cookbook is on the clearweb btw.

To download the browser simply type "download tor" on google, install and run it. Then all you need to do is find the address of the website you're trying to visit (or the address of a darknet search engine) and you're set. Reddit might be one place to look for such addresses.

You can browse the darknet completely legally, as long as you don't purchase anything forbidden and I'd encourage you to have a look for yourself. Also not everyone uses it for illegal purposes, it is a good tool for being able to communicate somewhat anonymously which is harder and harder to do on the clearweb.
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Re: Is the days of our niche activities numbered?
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2018, 07:44:39 PM »

I'm not sure just how much about darknets we're supposed to discuss openly here, if mods remove the rest of this post then we'll know ;)
...I guess we're good, ok:
There are multiple darknets. I try to catch up on the technology every year or two just in case of fascist crackdowns like the trumpageddon that didnt happen. I've seen over half a dozen of them. Currently two are worth really knowing about.
TOR is a very easy one, and where the children of silkroad are. Quite safe for the user, no longer 100% safe for site hosts. TOR lets you browse the normal internet through randomly changing proxy IP addresses so no one knows who you are. One minute you look like a bulgarian university, the next minute you look like a private computer in lithuania. This lets you post on forums without your real IP being recorded, it lets you download scientific papers from the relevant piracy sites, it lets you browse in relative safety. TOR has its own email system. TOR also has hidden services, websites that exist only in the encrypted darknet space of TOR. Like 2 years back law enforcement found a way to track down the originators of those sites and bust them. You probably wouldnt lament the demise of those specific sites but it has implications: If shit ever got so serious that the nexus, the nook, or this site had to vanish from the internet then TOR hidden sites wouldnt necessarily be safe enough either. That is assuming TOR isnt fundamentally redesigned between now and then, which could happen. I think last time I investigated deeply enough it was possible for your ISP or the government to know you were running TOR, just not what you are browsing. Unless your hosting a site, TOR need only be run while your browsing it.
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Freenet is the serious one. There are no laws there, of any kind. You wont like certain areas there. But it is very secure. This one you have to basically run 24/7 to be properly integrated into the network and stable and you can specify the quantity of your bandwidth it uses to run the network on. Basically everyone is a server in the network. In the standard and usually safest open net mode it may be possible for governments to see that your running freenet, if they put up a node they can get lists of IP addresses also on the network, they just wont have any notion what they are doing there. In the usually more hazardous darknet mode people can make little network 'cells' that are invisible to the outside network and hidden from that snooping. I think its currently designed to allow the option of a member of the darknet being the filter to allow access out to the greater network. Like if 10 people in iran wanted to have a christian democracy club or something they could make a darknet and a buddy in pakistan could be the connection out to the rest of the network and only his IP would be visable as a freenet user. Anyway. By itself its the guts of the network and it lets you access the freesite community through a browser. its like a browsable website internet, but with no laws. It doesnt come with a browser but you can optionally have a dedicated browser like firefox-portable thats firewalled to access only loopback and no external IPs so nothing 'leaks' out (freenet is supposed to have filters to protect leaks from freesites, so a dedicated browser is optional). Beyond browsing are third party apps. FMS is like a forum system and they are actually self-censoring, in a way. People can be banned from there by vote so its the 'cleanest' spot in freenet. In addition to chat they can post file download keys, I think you still have to take those to browser or fuqid to download them. I think the current (as of spring) FMS looks quite crude. The other biggie is the frost community, when I investigated last spring unpatched Frost-Next was the most current and safe app to access it. Its also a forums system but its much prettier and has nicely integrated file download functions. It is not censored. At all.
If a delayed trumpageddon or 1984 does happen and the nexus, erowid, the nook, and STS have to vanish from the internet I imagine they would re-emerge on the FMS system in freenet. Its vastly safer for site hosting than TOR and is at least somewhat self censored. I think its possible to set up a freesite identical to the nexus, it would be MUCH prettier than FMS but you would currently have to install software from the site designer for it to work, so you would have to trust him.
I do not know if marketplaces like the silkroad currently exist on freenet, tho I imagine they probably do.
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Re: Is the days of our niche activities numbered?
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2018, 03:05:47 PM »

Very interesting y'all thanks for shining some light upon the subject. I should know about these things. I guess I figured since nobody ever actually showed me or explained things that it wasn't truthful or easy to access and navigate. On top of idk how much Uncle Sam is concerned about such activities. I will probably play around with it now just to see what's up. Seems y'all kinda recommend trying it out. For a not super young guy I'm not hardy at all tech literate. Purposely have kinda warded off messing with tech stuff to try and focus on my real life endeavors. Born in the 80's I should have known more than I do by now though...not a kiddo on this end here just under informed about these things...



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Re: Is the days of our niche activities numbered?
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2018, 06:54:59 PM »

"The seeds that were sown yesterday have power in the land."
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Re: Is the days of our niche activities numbered?
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2018, 05:48:31 AM »

I am still on the fence about this. I do not think that the powers that be could or even would restrict these things outright to any more of an extent than they have now. Yet there is another, larger issue that I do see. The vast majority of plant based history and knowledge from Europe was lost during the cultural assimilation of Christianity. While there are still some small populations of people with remnant knowledge of these things, these individuals and historians agree that the core of this knowledge is "lost to the ages".  The absorption of the many cultures of Europe into a "European" mono-culture was the main factor in this, with this acculturation the old one was sacrificed and the cultural knowledge with it. This issue can be clearly viewed in South America today, many of the medicine men have nobody to pass their knowledge to as the younger generations are moving into the cities and leaving their culture behind.

In several generations, when humanity has been homogenized into a global culture the nuances that make each individual culture unique will be gone. At best they will be nothing more than records in historical documents, at worst (most likely) these nuances will be forgotten all together. As corporate dogma is taking over religious dogma and with the recent interest of corporations in plant medicines I think it will be the latter.

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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2018, 06:45:24 AM »

Ever since 1998 I've pretty much agreed with you in the large picture, that was when a film version of Brave New World came out and I saw it as a great metaphor for where we are heading, rather than some 1984 or Fahrenheit 451. People rag on the 1998 film because it deviates so strongly from the book, but it does so only to conform to what american culture really is and where we are going. Our 'Soma' is social media, its TV, its mindless distractions on our cell phones that lead to shallow views of the world and shallow interactions with the world. Our soma is the invariably toxic junk food we gourge ourselves with because we are told we 'deserve it' and are too brain washed by our soma to question the motives behind that message.
My mother never learned how to cook. My grandmother never learned how to cook. My family had no songs, no healing ways, no traditional artistry, no tradition. We were the perfect americans. We ate, we worked, we watched TV, and we bought whatever TV said we needed. We got sick with heart disease at 20, die at 65, and never really know eachother. We worship the soma. Or at least what remains of them do, I see what we've been robbed of.
So, yeah, apathy, cold corporate homogenization of world culture, and mindless consumerism are the real downfall of thousands of years of wisdom and tradition. But I still think politics could swing and cause us planty types quite a lot of harm so I stay poised to vanish into darknets when they crack down on us cognitive liberty types.
Heck, even Heimia salicifolia is already illegal in part of the US and its little more than medicine for a womans period, lmao
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Re: Is the days of our niche activities numbered?
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2018, 11:21:56 AM »

Regarding niche activities:

I think that contemporary mindset causes problems here. Many people do not seem to understand that freedom goes both ways, for example: If I dont like someone having loud pipes on their car I should not forget that maybe that person doesnt like me sharing and growing plants - mostly unregulated -.
What people lately seem to do is go voting, to try and deprive others of their rights. But what comes around goes around, and once someone is forbidden to engage in their chosen niche activities they might not either see why someone else should be allowed to engage in their niche activity.
That game could go on until everyone does exactly the same, go work, pocket wage, consume & repeat the next day. No more niche activity.
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Re: Is the days of our niche activities numbered?
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2018, 03:11:42 AM »

Restriction creates demand, and while less numbers have easy access, those that do still want whatever is being restricted(plants/information/free speech), will then always work harder at removing restriction and promotion of whatever it is.

I reckon crack downs, strict laws, attacks on our freedoms etc are awesome long term as they drive folks to ask "why?".
Is this reasonable, seriously?
Forces ordinary folks to look and ask the question which they would not have asked before.

Everything's a wave. Tide comes in, tide goes out.
Dissent is instinctual for a % of the population and because of this, the more "the man" pushes one way, it just means they get pushed back at equal if not greater force.

Slavery, booze and cannabis being decent recent examples.

It might/will get shitty for us for a decade or two, for sure, but for long term humanity its just a change in the tide, and it will def swing back the other way on a long enough piece of string.

I'll probably be dead by then so my focus is just doing the little I can, that doesn't interfere with my personal quality of life.
Selfish of me on one hand, but I'm OK with it, as long term it doesn't really matter anyway(I believe).
I have faith. All's cool bro.  8)
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