Share The Seeds
Gardening Area => Crossbreeding and Hybridisation => Topic started by: GrowerAndaShower on August 04, 2016, 04:45:34 AM
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So, I know there's been a few users working on Salvia Divinorum seeds,with some success. Salvia venulosa is supposed to be the closest relative to Sally. Do we have any Columbian users? If someone could acquire one of these plants I think cross breeding the two should be attempted, back breeding the divinorum in a few times to see if we can add some diversity but keep the Divinorum genetics primary, and maybe it'll set seeds easier?
Probably just a hypothetical dream, but this would be awesome to try to attempt, and see what happens. Something about every plant in our possession being one of what, 7 named strains and only 3 that are definitely distinct(Wasson, Blosser, and Luna)? Yeah that. That makes me nervous, non diverse plants can't adapt, and without a strain that sets seeds easier diversity is going to be difficult...
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Do we have any Columbian users?
You need to read this old book to advance your technique of growing S. divinorum successfully. I'm keeping to search for dedicated Colombians, natives of Colombia or ones who have contacts in that country to get S. venulosa seeds. What did you do to get them too?
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It does make sense to try to cross Sally with other Salvias, too, regardless of chromosome count.
http://journal.ashspublications.org/content/136/1/41.full (http://journal.ashspublications.org/content/136/1/41.full)
"Hybrids between Salvia species with unequal chromosome numbers have been reported in the past. Salvia nemorosa, with 14 chromosomes, has been reported to form natural, fertile hybrids with S. pratensis (Kerner con Marilaun, 1891) with 18 chromosomes (Goldblatt and Johnson, 1979). Epling (1938) observed natural hybrids between S. columbaria (2n = 26) and S. mellifera (2n = 30) (Epling et al., 1962). Salvia farinacea [2n = 18 (Haque and Ghoshal, 1980) or 2n = 20 (Alberto et al., 2003)] and S. longispicata (2n = 22; Goldblatt and Johnson, 1979) have formed a chance sterile hybrid in cultivation (Clebsch, 2003). Together, these data suggest that Salvia is highly tolerant of aneuploidy in its hybrids and that different chromosome numbers in this genus are not an absolute barrier to hybrid formation."
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This is good information! Maybe we need to just randomly try crossing Sally D with other salvia species, and maybe some Coleus cultivars? I mean, something in me just screams "there's a hybrid out there for seed production with Divinorum effects".
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This is good information! Maybe we need to just randomly try crossing Sally D with other salvia species, and maybe some Coleus cultivars? I mean, something in me just screams "there's a hybrid out there for seed production with Divinorum effects".
Coleus is exactly my plan ;D And others, too, mostly based on growth habit (vigor) and that I try to pick non-toxic ones. For example not S. officinalis because who wants to ingest thujone?
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This article covers some of the basics of hybridizing Salvia. http://salvia-hybrids.blogspot.com
There are also a few more advanced tricks that don't require anything fancy to do them... just a right understanding of who to do them if anyone is interested in them. One of my favorite tricks... mentor pollination is discussed here along with a few other techniques.
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wasnt a hybrid already created maybe a decade or so ago? i remember it became a big argument as the doing it made a game and would only tell the winner of a contest or something. i vaguely remember it coming out it wasnt pure SD seed, but a hybrid. anyone remember that?